Points Carryover Limit Proposal

[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

I have brought this idea up before and I promised the guys in discord I'd bring it up again. Don't come at me all hostile please.

PROPOSAL: Each offseason the commissioner allocates the same amount of points to each team. This allocation amount also represents the limit that can be carried over into the regular season. Teams must spend their points during the offseason to remain below this allocation amount before week 1 games or lose any points that exceed that amount when week 1 games begin. This can be accomplished through FA signings, contract extensions and restructures, or trading away points for picks or players.

If approved by the league and commissioners, this proposal would go into effect NEXT offseason because only three teams currently have point totals that exceed last off-season's allocation of 49 points: Las Vegas (80 points), buffalo (59.5 points), Los Angeles (52 points). If this rule had been in effect this past offseason, Las Vegas would have had to spend 31 points before week 1, Buffalo would have had to spend 10.5 points before week 1, and LA would have had to spend 3 points before week 1. The rest of the league was already below the 49-point limit.

Most teams will not be impacted by this rule right now, making it a good idea to put it in place while very few teams are likely to be impacted. I would have no problem complying with this rule next offseason. In fact, if we pass this rule this week, as an act of good faith, I will immediately spend the 10.5 points on restructures to immediately get under 49 points.

It is likely that Rich allocates us 48 points next offseason because the points allocations have been trending 1 point less every offseason for quite some time now. This means if this proposal goes into effect, next offseason all of us would need to get our point balances below 48 points next offseason.

[Dean-Atlanta]

This is a reasonable and sound idea and allows teams to carry over a full season worth of points to the season.

For those who would attack the messenger for making a reasonable proposal like this, rather than constructively discuss the idea, I suggest you knock it off.

[Jerry-Redskins]

It's still not fair to those that made plans. Any change in points should be done a few years in the future to be fair to those that used the current rules how they have planned.

Also the issue with points is not carry over it is trading 0 point bidding, and keeping contract years on PS players. No issue with a cap on carry over, but we need at least a soft cap and trading and 0 point bidding along with allowing stashing on the PS works against more that carry over in my opinion.

[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

It's still not fair to those that made plans. Any change in points should be done a few years in the future to be fair to those that used the current rules how they have planned.

Also the issue with points is not carry over it is trading 0 point bidding, and keeping contract years on PS players. No issue with a cap on carry over, but we need at least a soft cap and trading and 0 point bidding along with allowing stashing on the PS works against more that carry over in my opinion.

I'd rather not address 0-point bids, practice squads nor trading of points right now. Those things should be addressed with separate proposals. By implementing this easy-to-track carryover limit, we establish a key safeguard against excessive hoarding of points. It's a good, simple start. And this is the best time to do it when only a few teams (3) are over the limit. Much easier for coaches to stay under the limit. I seriously doubt anyone needs time to plan their GMing around this when most of the league is complying already.

[Charlie-49ers]

Off-Season topic.

[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

Just to be clear, this proposal does not mean we all start the offseason with what Rich allocates to us. That is far too drastic. This proposal just means that we cannot carryover a balance into the regular season that exceeds that allocation value.

So, right now I have 59.5 points.

If Rich allocates 45 points to every team at the beginning of the 2049 offseason, I would have 104.5 points for this upcoming offseason. If this proposal passes, I must spend at least 59.5 points next offseason on restructures, trades and FAs so that I have no more than 49 points left in week 1 next season.

The intent is to make it so we can still carryover a lot of points but not excessively. There is a limit. And the limit purely depends on what Rich allocates each offseason.

[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

Off-Season topic.

I disagree. This is the best time to discuss this and decide if it has merit. We should decide on this now so we can plan for it or not. Waiting until the offseason means it won't go into effect for 2-3 season from now which is a long time.

Besides, I don't think there should be any offseason-only topics. That equates to censorship.

[Rich-League Officer]

Steve, clarify for me again.
You have 59.5 points.
Lets pretend Dean is accurate and the new allocation is 48.
When 2049 begins, how many points do you have for the season? (107.5?) (or are you limited to a certain number)
And how many does Atlanta have? (52?)

And, while you think this topic should be an isolated discussion, Jerry is correct.
Trading of points matters. Zero point signings matter. PS contracts matter.
They all involve points usage.
Jerry also makes a good point that changes to the points carryover would need to be phased in.

I would also want any change to be simple.
For instance, just cap the carryover.
If the allocation was 48, teams can carryover 25 (for example) and that's it.

But you are correct that now is a good time to have the discussion because as you said, we don't have teams with 100-300!

[Donovon-Steelers]

Not sure whether we're trying to emulate an NFL system because they use salary cap and we're doing points, but under their structure you can carry over 100% from one season to the next, so if 48 is allocated, then a max of 48 can be carried over to the next year. I don't see a problem with this and it does curb the excess, so Steve's original point is fulfilled.

But no matter the carryover #, it needs to be not next off-season, but the year after - not just for the teams that are currently over limit, but bc like Jerry said, many of us do multi-season planning - for example, I have some upcoming years with very few resigns and other years I have many more guys with contact expirations and these decisions depend on their # years, position quotas, tag eligibility, etc. - phased-in is the best plan.

[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

Steve, clarify for me again.
You have 59.5 points.
Lets pretend Dean is accurate and the new allocation is 48.
When 2049 begins, how many points do you have for the season? (107.5?) (or are you limited to a certain number)
And how many does Atlanta have? (52?)

And, while you think this topic should be an isolated discussion, Jerry is correct.
Trading of points matters. Zero point signings matter. PS contracts matter.
They all involve points usage.
Jerry also makes a good point that changes to the points carryover would need to be phased in.

I would also want any change to be simple.
For instance, just cap the carryover.
If the allocation was 48, teams can carryover 25 (for example) and that's it.

But you are correct that now is a good time to have the discussion because as you said, we don't have teams with 100-300!

@Rich

I have 59.5. If you allocate 48 points this offseason, I will start the offseason with 107.5. This is without this carryover limit in place.

If the limit had been in place last offseason, I would have been only allowed to carryover 49 points instead of 59.5 before week 1 because you allocated 49 last offseason. If I had only carried over 49 instead of 59.5 and you allocated 48 next offseason, I would have started this upcoming offseason with 97 points instead of 107.5. That's 10 points that would have gone to restructures probably.

It's not too drastic for a carryover limit like you mentioned (25) but it basically keeps us all under 100 points to start every offseason. And we know the limit immediately when you set the offseason allocation. Avoiding a hard low limit (25) and letting your allocation be the limit number makes it less painful while giving you some control over that limit.

Let's say you allocate only 35 points one offseason, then this means all of us will have no more than 35 points to carryover and add to your next allocation the following offseason. Then if you see our point totals are getting too tight, this lets you do the opposite if needed - you can go back UP with a higher allocation one season.

This rule basically gives YOU an extra control over point balances.