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[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

Since it seems to always come up, the Transfers...

This idea that the transfer is responsible for a lot of the vets being saved is nonsense.
14 players in the 2046 Physicals were saved because of the transfer.
44 players automatically retired thanks to the transfer.
This is not unusual since this began.
It allows coaches a way to keep their superstars, at a price.
The transfer will stay.

This is exactly why I suggested that the only way to save a player from retirement is if another player transferred rolls to him.

We should not be getting rid of transfers. We should be using them to force more retirement decisions.

I will vote NO to any proposal to remove the transfers. I completely agree with Rich that transfers are the main way to cause more veterans to retire.

[Rich-League Officer]

Most important thing coaches need to know is, there is no change in the Physicals system for the upcoming 2047 season.
The passing % may change slightly downward in 2048 but not drastic by any means.
The transfers are staying until they no longer benefit the objective.

[James-Eagles]

First off do we really have a problem. I get what Rich is saying. The problem is having more vets is a choice. Part of what makes this fun is we get to build and play are teams the way we want. If that is an older team or blowing your team and getting 50 picks. I don't see the problem Rich does and I think the new Free Agency rules will help with that. But if we are going to address a problem we need to address it right. If the problem is too many old people kick Barney and Charlie out would be the first set. Oh way too many old players on roster. What we need to do is look at why it is happen before coming up with solutions. If you have a headache from lack of sleep you don't chop your head off you take a nap.

Why do we have more vets on roster than before.

1. The rookie classes are a lot weaker than NFL rookie classes when you compare them to the vets already in the league. This means older rosters means we are doing something right in the draw. It is a sign of the league heading in the right direction not a problem

2. Transferring rolls incentivizes keep older players. If you have two equal players with an expiring contract in a year. It is better to keep the one you can transfer rolls than the younger player. Also saying transfer rolls leads to more retirements could be true and it might now. I know when I transfer roles it's player I would be cutting that year or next so really the FA system will most likely deal with that player.

3. The vet FA are better than most of the draft class. This means players sign Vets than younger players. This will be taken care of with time with the new FA purge. I still think age 4 is the better for the purge it would knock all rookies who played out there rookie contract and set the next year in the FA pool.

4.The current Anti-aging system

Ok now lets actually look at some numbers We sill start with 154 players that went through physicals as the number in physicals

Under the currents system for arguments sake will put them all at 154 and age 10 since we debating non QB-k-P

So lets put all the players at age 10 and and see how the system works

at age 10 when most position enter anti-aging is .75 that means 115.5 on average would get 2 more years so we will say 116

At 11 it is 66.7% which on average 77.3 would make it so say 78

at 12 odds 55.6% we would be down to 43.3 so say 44

at age 13 odds at 44.4 19.1 so lets say 19.5 so say 20
at age 14 we down to 30.6 we down to 6.1 so 7
at age 15 same odds 2.138
at 16 we are down to .6

I will agree these numbers are higher than the NFL but do we really want to mirror the No Fun League. Keep a little longer is good for the league and adds to the fun. Also remember HB, WR, and LB all age faster than this.

The Freedom to build your roster the way you want adds to the fun.

Here are the real odds

age 10 passing 75%(HB is 55.5%, WR , LB 62.5%)
age 11 everyone else 50% HB 37.0% WR/LB 41.6
age 12 EE 27.8% HB 20.6 WR/LB 23.1
age 13 EE 12.4% HB 9.2 %WR/LB 10.3

These numbers aren't un reasonable. this is achieved by just removing transfer. May be transfers adds to more players retiring.

The system works if you leave it beat you keep messing with it. You make it worse than our economy with politicians messing with it.

The thing is we have the FA purge which would cut down on



The thing people seems to forget is this is an almost 30 year old game that wasn't design to mirror current NFL. Also when writing rules Fun should trump NFL like. There is a reason true sims don't work because when you get too close to real life the fun disappears.

Right now the league is the most fun it has been in decades. This isn't the time to be making big changes. We also are still working on slowly weakening and spreading out the draft with FA purge. There is no need to rush. We have way too many things going on. It is like fixing a wobbly table but have 4 different people adjusting a leg each. It will only lead to way too much over corrections.

What we currently have is working and is very simple.

[Dean-Atlanta]

Look at LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin on my team. 14th year LB playing maxxed at 100 percent of his talent level, no decline at all in the last 8 years he has played for my team. That is ridiculously and absurdly unrealistic.

We can reform this system and still have the league not become that "no fun league" because sticking with this is just ridiculous.

We definitely need more retirements.

[Rich-League Officer]

I guess I have to repeat this.
There is NO change to how we conduct physicals in 2047.
The over populated FA suggestion which most coaches like will happen before the 2047 season begins.
If this appears to achieve the objective, it's possible nothing changes in 2048 physicals.
If a small tweek is needed, the % will be lowered GENTLY.
I do not believe (89 to 85) or (75 to 70) is major earthquake like change that will remove all the fun from the league.
Omg, one of the age groups might go from 44% to 40%, yikes, head the hills!

Everyone needs to stop acting like this is a big deal.
In the grand scheme of issues, this is a 2 on the Richter scale.
I drop the points each season for a decade, how has that worked out?
Did your teams blow up? lose 25 free agents? did the pnfl implode from such drastic changes?
If I was asking for or demanding a salary cap, I would understand the pushback.

I have to say, if this small issue is going to impact your fun, then you are not enjoying yourself right now.
This is a nothingburger.

[James-Eagles]

I guess I have to repeat this.
There is NO change to how we conduct physicals in 2047.
The over populated FA suggestion which most coaches like will happen before the 2047 season begins.
If this appears to achieve the objective, it's possible nothing changes in 2048 physicals.
If a small tweek is needed, the % will be lowered GENTLY.
I do not believe (89 to 85) or (75 to 70) is major earthquake like change that will remove all the fun from the league.
Omg, one of the age groups might go from 44% to 40%, yikes, head the hills!

Everyone needs to stop acting like this is a big deal.
In the grand scheme of issues, this is a 2 on the Richter scale.
I drop the points each season for a decade, how has that worked out?
Did your teams blow up? lose 25 free agents? did the pnfl implode from such drastic changes?
If I was asking for or demanding a salary cap, I would understand the pushback.

I have to say, if this small issue is going to impact your fun, then you are not enjoying yourself right now.
This is a nothingburger.

Multiple small changed equal a messy big change. When you are fine tuning anything you only change one thing and see what happens then adjust another. Rich you are overacting and pushing force choice change. If we do this next we should have a required run percent on each down on distance to be more NFL like. Please stop through out NFL like because it is only used when you want to change something. 2-DL rule isn't NFL like but hey we still put it in.

Look at LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin on my team. 14th year LB playing maxxed at 100 percent of his talent level, no decline at all in the last 8 years he has played for my team. That is ridiculously and absurdly unrealistic.

We can reform this system and still have the league not become that "no fun league" because sticking with this is just ridiculous.

We definitely need more retirements.

Yes there was 10% chance that would happen you got lucky. It isn't the norm. And yes we can make a system that is more realistic. The thing people are forgetting is the best it is ever been in this league. This isn't the time to be making a ton of changes. Give the FA thing a couple season see where we are at . Nothing goes from fun to no fun instantly but this could very quickly go to less fun. Less fun means going autopilot for a few season then it leads to oh I don't need this.
Also only have a couple people not age on each team is unrealistic too there isn't going to be a system that is realistic. So my opinion it is better to go with more positive than feel bad solution to the problem then worry about it. Dean you have a player who is 14 and hasn't aged has it broke the game in anyway. No it hasn't that is the point. If you want to change the system drastically then you need to change the draft class drastically and keep FA class young. This will change it.

Having more Vets is a choice. It is a choice that has a huge down side. If you have a ton of vet players you are not developing replacements. It creates a cliff. Let that cliff be there. We don't need to push teams off it. I am not saying this might not be need but we already have too many changing going on to keep adding more.

[Dean-Atlanta]

Yes am I lucky that he passed his last couple physicals and has made it to 14 and if they fails his physical this upcoming off-season he will play as a 15 his last season, meaning a total of 16 seasons (R-15) on my roster. That is a long full career in football.

I think what Rich wants to do is a VERY reasonable and incremental approach that is NOT going to blow up[ anyone's team. I don't even agree it's 2.0 on the Richter scale, I see as more likely barely 1.1. It's just not going to cause us to lose many veterans. If you build a roster with veteran players and trade for players that failed their physicals and are playing their last season before retiring, you can still do that. If you voluntarily blow up your team and trade for several draft picks in 2-3 draft classes, you can still do that.

This is not a revolutionary change, but a very gradual evolutionary change.

We must embrace change.

[James-Eagles]

Yes am I lucky that he passed his last couple physicals and has made it to 14 and if they fails his physical this upcoming off-season he will play as a 15 his last season, meaning a total of 16 seasons (R-15) on my roster. That is a long full career in football.

I think what Rich wants to do is a VERY reasonable and incremental approach that is NOT going to blow up[ anyone's team. I don't even agree it's 2.0 on the Richter scale, I see as more likely barely 1.1. It's just not going to cause us to lose many veterans. If you build a roster with veteran players and trade for players that failed their physicals and are playing their last season before retiring, you can still do that. If you voluntarily blow up your team and trade for several draft picks in 2-3 draft classes, you can still do that.

This is not a revolutionary change, but a very gradual evolutionary change.

We must embrace change.

Yes but the problem is we have 3 different things around ready running to deal with this. We don't need to add a 4th. Lets see where things with the things we already doing. A bunch of little changes equals a big change. In fact a bunch of little adjustments is how you totally fuck things up. You adjust one thing and let it work out then when it is stable you adjust another.

[Dean-Atlanta]

Some are just experiencing anxiety thinking about change. No single changes, no matter how large or small, is done with the idea that it will screw things up. We can walk and chew gum and listen to music and think about what to have for dinner tonight all at the same time and not "totally fuck things up."

I say enjoy the anxiety or medicate it, but embrace change, prepare for the future and we keep coaching our teams in a changing PNFL. If the PNFL had never changed it might likely have no survived for 50 seasons. Change brings about success when it is done right. I think what Rich wants to do here is very modest and will not "totally fuck things up."

[James-Eagles]

Some are just experiencing anxiety thinking about change. No single changes, no matter how large or small, is done with the idea that it will screw things up. We can walk and chew gum and listen to music and think about what to have for dinner tonight all at the same time and not "totally fuck things up."

I say enjoy the anxiety or medicate it, but embrace change, prepare for the future and we keep coaching our teams in a changing PNFL. If the PNFL had never changed it might likely have no survived for 50 seasons. Change brings about success when it is done right. I think what Rich wants to do here is very modest and will not "totally fuck things up."

I am not against change. In fact I am one who pushes for it a bunch over the years. I just know that when you trying to adjust things you don't turn 5 or 6 nobs at once. When you adjust anything you adjust one thing and see what happens. Come on this is common sense. May be your obsession with mental illness and needing to medicated is projections.

The reality is simple we have many thing in play that if you let them play might shot after a season or 2 this isn't needed. Lets be honest we just keep throwing stuff on top of stuff and never revisiting bad rules.

I think everyone knows it is a bad rule and knows that things would be fine in a season or two and that is why they have to put it in now.