PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Steve-LA Chargers » Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:42 pm

Dean-Atlanta wrote:So if I understand this correctly, "32" defenses, having 3 DLs and 2 LBs, wiht at least one safety, are legal in RL and PS (and PM) but RM and RR need to have 3 LBs?


Regardless if Option A passes you are correct. "32" defenses, having 3 DLs and 2 LBs, with at least one safety, would be legal in RL, PS, PM, PL and PRD.

For 32 defenses, Option A only makes the safety a requirement for RL to be considered legal. A 3-2 PS would not require a safety but having one would of course be legal.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Matt-Jacksonville » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:49 pm

Steve-LA Chargers wrote:
Mitch-Chiefs wrote:I'm so confused... what are we doing again?

Do I need to add Option E to my chart for those wanting 1 LB and 3 Ss on Razz Dazz Pass plays on 2nd & 10+ inside the OFF 35 with under 2 mins to go and down by 8+?


We are running this proposal through like a bill in the US Senate/House. You never know what really will be the final version. :lol:

Option E would be "let the commishes review the cheat sheet, make any necessary modifications and make the final decision." Right now I'm clearly Option E.

If more coaches vote for Option A and it passes with a majority, we'll amend the cheat sheet to include the safety requirement, but losing my vote probably hurt that.

I created the cheat sheet above based on the current rules with slight modifications made only to the LB requirement for PS, PM, PL and PRD in an attempt to make sense of conflicting LB requirement rules on the custom play and game plan rules pages. I abandoned the Safety requirement entirely for now because option A hasn't passed yet. I did my best to make sense of what the conflicting rules were intending with regard to LB requirements but I could be wrong.


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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:14 pm

Steve-LA Chargers wrote:
Dean-Atlanta wrote:So if I understand this correctly, "32" defenses, having 3 DLs and 2 LBs, wiht at least one safety, are legal in RL and PS (and PM) but RM and RR need to have 3 LBs?


Regardless if Option A passes you are correct. "32" defenses, having 3 DLs and 2 LBs, with at least one safety, would be legal in RL, PS, PM, PL and PRD.

For 32 defenses, Option A only makes the safety a requirement for RL to be considered legal. A 3-2 PS would not require a safety but having one would of course be legal.


OK thanks. My submissions are going to have safeties regardless. Makes them better plays.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:16 pm

Now if this passes and one of you next off-season proposes we "repeal and replace" Option A, at least have a actual alternative plan.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Steve-LA Chargers » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:16 pm

As part of the Option A vote, the 2DL play design guidance will now be fully covered in D05 of the play design rules. Previously it was showing up under the game plan and profiles rules which was causing some confusion.

Please replace the current text under Rule D05 with the following which includes the rewrite of D05 per Option A and the cheat sheet for each category.

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Note: This would be for new plays going forward and not retrofitting existing plays unless the original designer elected to make such changes, which would have to be done before opening day.

1. Each defensive Play must employ at least.
• 2 DL and 2 or more LBs; or
• 3 DL and 1 or more LBs; or
• 4 DL and 0 or more LBs.
o With 4 or more DLs, no LBs are required for PASS DEFENSIVE PLAYS.
o RUN defense categories except RL must have at least 3 LBs (e.g., 4-3, 3-3, etc.). Applies to Run Razzle Dazzle, Goal Line Run, Run Right, Run Middle.
o RL defenses must have at least 2 LBs (e.g., 3-2, 4-2, etc.).
2. No defensive Play can have more than 7 DBs
• Run category defensive plays must have at least 1 Safety, as these are the hard-hitting, run-stopper DBs.
3. The following restrictions apply to 2-DL Plays:
• 2-DL PASS SHORT defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 7 DBs (at least one must be a Safety).
• 2-DL PASS MEDIUM, PASS LONG, PASS RAZZLE DAZZLE defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 7 DBs (any).

Definitions:

“Defend the ('LOS') Line of Scrimmage" means
1. A Defensive Lineman with the logic of Run Rush, Pass Rush, or Read;
2. A Linebacker with the logic of Key on Quarterback, Run Defense, or Blitz (not Read); and
3. A Defensive Back with the logic of Key on Quarterback, Run Defense, or Blitz (not Read).

RUN FOCUSED DEFENSE examples:
Run Rush, Key on Quarterback, etc.

PASS FOCUSED DEFENSE examples:
M2M, zone, etc.

Goal Line Run
Player requirements: 3DL-3LB-0DB
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 3LBs
 No DB requirement, but if one or more are used, one must be Safety.
 No more than 5DBs allowed
Other requirements:
 At least 7 Players (ANY) must have RUN FOCUSED defense

Run Razzle Dazzle
Player requirements: 3DL-3LB-2DB(1S)
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 3LBs
 Must have a minimum of 2DBs (one must be Safety) but no more than 5DBs
Other requirements:
 At least 7 Players (ANY) must have RUN FOCUSED defense

Run Right
Player requirements: 3DL-3LB-4DB(1S)
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 3LBs
 Must have a minimum of 4DBs (one must be Safety) but no more than 5DBs
Other requirements:
 At least 8 Players (ANY) must have RUN FOCUSED defense

Run Middle
Player requirements: 3DL-3LB-4DB(1S)
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 3LBs
 Must have a minimum of 4DBs (one must be Safety) but no more than 5DBs
Other requirements:
 7 Players (ANY) must have RUN FOCUSED. defense

Run Left
Player requirements: 3DL-2LB-4DB(1S)
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 2LBs
 Must have a minimum of 4DBs (one must be Safety) but no more than 6DBs
Other requirements:
 No more than 6 Players (ANY) can have RUN FOCUSED defense

Pass Short
Player requirements: 2DL-2LB-4DB(1S) | 3DL-1LB-4DB | 4DL-0LB-4DB
 Must have a minimum of 4DBs but no more than 7 DBs
 2DL formations must have a minimum of 2LBs and 1 Safety
 3DL requires a minimum of 1LBs
 4DL requires a minimum of 0LB
Other requirements:
 At least 5 Players (ANY) must have PASS-FOCUSED defense
 At least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.
 In 2DL formations, at least one of the two DLs must defend the LOS. As such, one DL is permitted to drop into pass coverage.

Pass Medium
Minimum players: 2DL-2LB-5CB | 3DL-1LB-5DB | 4DL-0LB-5DB
 Require a minimum of 2DLs
 2DL formations must have a minimum of 2LBs
 3DL requires a minimum of 1LBs
 4DL requires a minimum of 0LB
 Must have 5DBs but no more than 7DBs allowed
Other requirements:
 At least 5 Players (ANY) must have PASS-FOCUSED defense.
 At least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.
 In 2DL formations, at least one of the two DLs must defend the LOS. As such, one DL is permitted to drop into pass coverage.

Pass Long
Player requirements: 2DL-2LB-5DB | 3DL-1LB-5DB | 4DL-0LB-5DB
 Require a minimum of 2DLs
 2DL formations must have a minimum of 2LBs
 3DL requires a minimum of 1LBs
 4DL requires a minimum of 0LB
 Must have 5DBs but no more than 7DBs allowed
Other requirements:
 At least 6 Players (ANY) must have a PASS-FOCUSED defense
 At least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.
 In 2DL formations, both DLs can drop into pass coverage.

Pass Razzle Dazzle
Player requirements: 2DL-2LB-5DB | 3DL-1LB-5DB | 4DL-0LB-5DB
 Require a minimum of 2DLs
 2DL formations must have a minimum of 2LBs
 3DL requires a minimum of 1LBs
 4DL requires a minimum of 0LB
 Must have 5DBs but no more than 7DBs allowed
Other requirements:
 At least 7 Players (ANY) must have a PASS-FOCUSED defense.
 Must have at least two players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) defending the LOS.
 In 2DL formations, both DLs can drop into pass coverage.

Goal Line Pass
Player requirements: 3DL-1LB
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 1LB
 No DB requirement, but no more than 7DBs allowed
Other requirements:
 At least 5 Players (ANY) must have PASS-FOCUSED defense
 At least three DLs must defend the LOS
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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Steve-LA Chargers » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:10 pm

I missed something. PS only requires 4 DBs and PM, PL, PRD only require 5 DBs.

This:
3. The following restrictions apply to 2-DL Plays:
• 2-DL PASS SHORT defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 7 DBs (at least one must be a Safety).
• 2-DL PASS MEDIUM, PASS LONG, PASS RAZZLE DAZZLE defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 7 DBs (any).

Should actually be this:
3. The following restrictions apply to 2-DL Plays:
• 2-DL PASS SHORT defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 4 DBs (at least one must be a Safety).
• 2-DL PASS MEDIUM, PASS LONG, PASS RAZZLE DAZZLE defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 5 DBs (any).

Apologies for the oversight. Obviously, you should be able to have 2DL-4LB-5DB pass defensive plays.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Charlie-49ers » Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:31 am

OK, my hair hurts from reading all of this over the past few days, the stress of waiting for teams to finish their transfers, the number of corrections and deletions of Custom plays, and some shitty rounds of golf! It is further exacerbated by listening to Kamala's latest 'word-salad' speech on something, Hunter's latest bank account discovery somewhere, and Trump's latest inditement for something! As such, I need a day or two, or three to read carefully and reread each scenario proposed, changed, or unchanged, to make sure that we have clarified, or thoroughly confused people's understanding of each scenario. In the interim, now is the time to take your shot at this, because once I agree/finalize the proposal, it will stand for the season, not to be addressed again until the next off-season. At some point (very soon) I need to focus on the 49ers, my Custom plays, and making sure that my Profiles are error-free.
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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Shawn-Giants » Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:26 pm

Steve-LA Chargers wrote:I missed something.


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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:55 pm

OK regarding the rules fair enough... regarding Kamala, Biden, and Trump, no comment here...

I think the MINIMUM number of DLs/LBs/Ss/CBs for each play category SHOULD be as follows:

RL
3-2-1-2
4-2-1-2

RM/RR
3-3-2-2
4-2-1-2

PS
2-2-2-2
3-2-2-2
4-2-1-2

PM
2-1-1-2
3-2-1-2
4-1-1-2

PL
2-2-1-2
3-2-1-2
4-2-1-2

PRD
2-1-0-5
3-1-0-5
4-1-0-5

RRD
3-3-1-2
4-2-1-2

GLP/GLR
3-3-1-2
4-2-1-2

Or something like this, and listed in simple format like this to make it easier for play creators.
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