Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

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Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Tim-Colts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:46 am

In the NFL, there is a similar player restriction designation like the PNFL. In the NFL, when a player is designated a RFA (restricted free agent) they will be tagged as a certain round player. This does 2 things one for the tagging team and one for the player. Based on the round of the tag, if the player signs with a new team the tagging team can either match the contract or get compensated with a pick from the designated or tagged round. For the player, this guarantees a certain average salary amount based on that tag.

Here is the proposal to at least make the PNFL have some similarity to the real NFL. Starting next season, I propose that we have the points that a XR player signs for be sent to the original tagging team if they don't "match" the contract. In this way, the original tagging team will receive some compensation for losing a player that was tagged if they don't want to match the offer.

Here are a few pros and cons I can think of from this system:

Pros
1. The original tagging team has the motivation not to match since they receive compensation.
2. The signing team will potentially not bid as high knowing they are giving points to another team.
3. This could help some teams keep other players with these additional points or sign new players.

Cons
1. This causes a signing team to not want to help a division rival by giving them points to sign their tagged player.
2. More work for Rich, although he seemed to agree that this would not be a huge deal for him.

Share your thoughts below.
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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Matt-Jacksonville » Tue Feb 11, 2025 12:10 pm

Tim-Colts wrote:
Cons
1. This causes a signing team to not want to help a division rival by giving them points to sign their tagged player.
2. More work for Rich, although he seemed to agree that this would not be a huge deal for him.

Share your thoughts below.


1. There have been talks about limiting trading of points, so I don't see where this would be a "Con."
2. If we can consistently post the round we are tagging in our Tag Posts, then he wouldn't have anything to keep up with. He can glance at the forum and do what he needs to do.

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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Justin-Chicago » Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:23 pm

I might have missed this, but would it be more realistic and just as easy to give the original team a compensatory draft pick based on the winning bid?

1-1.5 points = 6th round
2-3.5 = 5th round
4+ = 4th round

Something like that?

Not opposed to the original idea either, it just seems this could be more realistic.
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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Jerry-Redskins » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:00 pm

This appears more to be a way to fine and discourage bidding on XR's that unlike the NFL are free against the cap for the team. Matching is more just paying the market value as a salary. We also already have too many points in the league. Doing the proposal leaves them in the economy to fund an additional contract/transaction rather than be pulled out of the league. This is just more inflation of points which in my opinion is the opposite we should be doing.

The better idea is to mimic the NFL and any player put on the PS has their contract go away and revert to the current year only.
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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Tim-Colts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:06 pm

Justin-Chicago wrote:I might have missed this, but would it be more realistic and just as easy to give the original team a compensatory draft pick based on the winning bid?

1-1.5 points = 6th round
2-3.5 = 5th round
4+ = 4th round

Something like that?

Not opposed to the original idea either, it just seems this could be more realistic.


Rich mentioned this is more difficult due to the limitations of drafting in the game and the utilities. So he seemed against this aspect when we brought it up during the Friday night draft party.
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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Tim-Colts » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:15 pm

Jerry-Redskins wrote:This appears more to be a way to fine and discourage bidding on XR's that unlike the NFL are free against the cap for the team. Matching is more just paying the market value as a salary. We also already have too many points in the league. Doing the proposal leaves them in the economy to fund an additional contract/transaction rather than be pulled out of the league. This is just more inflation of points which in my opinion is the opposite we should be doing.

The better idea is to mimic the NFL and any player put on the PS has their contract go away and revert to the current year only.


This would not include the "IR" or expanded roster players. This only pertains to the 2 players that can be tagged as restricted before free agency starts. The flip side to your argument is a team might be more willing to let the player walk if they are getting something in return. If I'm on the fence and I'm getting points, then I will probably take the points and let the player leave. For me, if I have tagged a player I'm planning to keep him especially if the price is only 3 points or maybe less. If the price was any higher, then you start thinking about using the points to get a different guy.
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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Jerry-Redskins » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:48 pm

I understood. I just believe we have too many points moving multiple times in the PNFL economy. This adds more. There is also no reason I can see to discourage XR bidding. There should actually be more. We should not have a free contracts at all. If a player is valuable enough for a contract we should resign them. This seems to me to be I want my cake and eat it too. I designate a XR and I get a free contract or points. There is zero downside or risk. If you are willing to take points then make the trade (yes, that should stop too :D ).

My point on the PS is that it is being used to stash players safely as you get to keep the 3 year contract but the bidder only gets it a 1 year one. All PS players should lose there contract years. This is how it it is the NFL. Then we are discussing using the XR on them and getting another 3 years or points. It would be possible (maybe probable) to draft a player in the 4th round at $0 cap and keep them for 6 years or get a few points back at XR and they never play a down in the league.

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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Donovon-Steelers » Tue Feb 11, 2025 3:49 pm

This is a really good proposal. Simple, effective and dissuades extraneous bidding.

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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby James-Eagles » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:18 pm

We want to decrease the points in the system. This does the opposite.

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Re: Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

Postby Jerry-Redskins » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:20 pm

:?: What is "extraneous bidding". We are discussing FA players open to anyone and should be bid on if they improve a roster.
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