Various Proposals

[Charlie-49ers]

OK, I have tried to read, digest, and analyze the various proposals regarding Offensive Rum Middle modifications, the expansion of the number of Defensive PRD and RRD plays, and the conditions and use of Offensive PRD plays. Keeping in mind several things: the disruption of existing PPPs, occasional requests by some owners to use previous PPPs that may not be compliant with any changes, and most of all enhancing the gameplay towards the NFL. The following are my thoughts, and I will wait for some comments before my final decision.
1. I do not see how we enhance the game by decreasing the Offensive Run Middle requirement to eight plays! Considering the number of clones and semi-clones we have; I believe the wider variety of plays required in this category is a good thing. If you want more flexibility in other categories, don’t use categories that are not required (e.g. Run Left, Run Right & Goal Line Run.
2. The increase in Defensive PRD and RRD plays has a similar effect as keeping ten Offensive Run Middle plays. More plays give us a better variety and make it a little more challenging on both sides of the ball. I favor increasing both categories to require six.
3. The use of previous PPPs should not be an issue! Since we will finalize these modifications before the season starts, all PPPs will be compliant, and teams may only request the use of previous PPPs from the current season. As such, there should be no issue.
4. Redefining the use of Offensive PRD plays is a good thing. Initially adopted as the NFL version of the “Hail Mary” the PNFL has expanded its use. So, let’s get back to the original intent, which will take a little work on the Offensive side of the ball. BTW, what I think we are talking about is the PRD Lob passes. As such, only new custom PRD plays will be the Timed Lob passes. So as not to disrupt current PPPs, existing non-PRD Timed Lob passes will remain in that folder, unless there is an overwhelming request to move them to the PLR folder. For now, I suggest the following for the use of Offensive PRD plays:
a. Under two minutes and any down in either half.
b. Any time and any down where a team is behind by 8 or more points.
c. Any time and any down where the yards to go is greater than 10 yards (not 10 yards).

[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

1. DISAGREE: I think it's overkill. The same variety is still achieved with 8.
2. AGREE, but increasing it complicates #3 because previous PPPs won't meet the new requirement.
3. MAYBE. Depends on if we do #2 and #4.
4. SOMEWHAT AGREE: I like the restrictions you outlined, but I think if we do this then you can't use previous PPPs from last season because they won't comply with the new restrictions. I think current deep lobs should remain in PRD (rule says the endpoint of the Timed Lob pass must be 30-yards or greater from the LOS); however, maybe we allow not so deep lobs in PLR (the endpoint of the Timed Lob pass cannot touch or exceed 30-yards or from the LOS).

[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

5. NOT MENTIONED: QB run play design. I think we should only limit the design of GLR to be under center. Leave the other categories 'as is.' Only requirement is must be under center for GLR. If you want to rollout or dive forward, do what you like.

[Jerry-Redskins]

Do not agree with the anytime 8+ down for PRD. That is worse that what we have now. I feel like that is going in the opposite direction and opening up the use even more. Real life teams are not lining up and chunking it down field on planned hail mary situations when there are say 10 minutes left in the 1st qtr and down 10-0. Just put them at 2 minutes only (Should be 15 seconds or less in reality) and make it simple. The game engine just does not let it make sense. In real life the defense can see a play and adjust. Players and formations cannot adjust in our commish sim and boy does "read' work crappy in pass defense down the field.

[Jerry-Redskins]

BTW: Am I the only one that does not use anything from prior year with my PPP. I manually tweak between seasons based on rules and analysis. I never use the same thing week to week. The offseason is the time to go through the profile closely.

[James-Eagles]

I use PPP season to season and week to week with tweaks. I do make sure to change atleast one plan a week if not all 4.

I disagree with all of these. I really think it jsut makes things more complex and just annoying.
1. Run Middle- Just no there is no point in decreasing the number at this time. Nothing is really gained

2. Increase defense plays would be wrong at this time. We just had one of the highest scoring seasons in league history we don't need to be nerfing defense

3. It is kind of an issue but people jsut need to redo it and it would be good for them to make fresh.

4. I agree with the spirit but I think it is way to complex anything we have said. I suggest something very simple to edit Profiles and I reached out to a few people and it has gotten favorable response. If you don't like my suggestions remove it from outside the final 5 minutes of a half



The top one is the main suggestion. The bottom was if you wanted to include RR on 1st and 10. It standardizes when things can be call so it is simple. The highlighted section isn't highlighted for a reason just how I had the curse when I could the screenshoot. We don't need new rules that add complexity. We need to degrease complexity like the anti-aging rule.

[James-Eagles]

Another way to write what I propose

on any distance RM,PS, PM
RL on 0-1 and 2-6
RR on 6-10(not 1st) and 10+
PLR on 10+
GLR,GLP inside 5 and 0-1 distance(But could restricting to just inside 5)
PS,PM on 1st down only Left, 2nd down only Middle, 3rd and 4th only right Right
Anything goes inside the final 5 minutes (only need to use 2 categories)
While now we have required plays on 3rd I think if we restricted 3rd to Right passes only we don't really need those requirements.

[Jerry-Redskins]

This is why I'd rather not start these things every offseason. They just spiral out of control more and more with ever increasing changes and tweaks. Hence the Shawn thoughts and James mostly. The league is strong and competitive. There is actually no need to make any changes in my opinion. This makes it better for folks to keep learning to get better. Ever change starts some of the getting better learning curve over.

We should have true focused discussions I believe. It is better as I stated before to get agreement of a problem versus competing proposals right away. If you have no consensus on a problem, you will never get consensus on a solution, as you are trying to solve different things and we are humans looking at things all differently. I see no problems to fix, but have no issues with a minor thing here or there that has little to no effects on game play which is mostly what Steve is doing.

He is trying to discuss things, but we are rushing to votes probably and dropping fixes for a problem we have not agreed on. I also like the offseason to destress. Discussing changes in a hurry just creates a little stress when we should be tweaking and analyzing data to tweak our PPP's with out the weekly game deadlines. We could have these discussions over a long period even during the season to help develop a consensus on the what and then move to how.

[James-Eagles]

He is trying to discuss things, but we are rushing to votes probably and dropping fixes for a problem we have not agreed on. I also like the offseason to destress. Discussing changes in a hurry just creates a little stress when we should be tweaking and analyzing data to tweak our PPP's with out the weekly game deadlines. We could have these discussions over a long period even during the season to help develop a consensus on the what and then move to how.

I kinda agree but the thought on Profile is we can do a small change really only 3rd and 4th and take a long Profile rule which people have found confusing with something that is very simple and easy to read. I don't think we should vote on any of this right now and honestly I think most of this discussion should be had during the season.

To be honest a lot of it has happen in FNL on discord.

My biggest issue with what Steve is doing is it boost Offense and hurts Defense following a huge scoring season. It really is going in the wrong direction. I also don't like the 2-3 days discussion then vote. It seems rushed. Most of us are checking out of PNFL and doing other things. I don't really need to follow until Week 1 myself so I am not checking this stuff daily.

[Charlie-49ers]

I agree with Jerry; time to destress!

I will pick this up again in a few days.