Point Betting and Trading

[James-Eagles]

There were 4 teams aggressively asking about that 1-1 pick, most of whom were going after Daniels because he has good SP/AC/AG, 95 ST and MAX POTs @ 87 END / 92 INT / 84 DI -- something that only a handful of QBs possess and compared to them, Daniels' overall ACTs are already as good or BETTER than all of them. Like Brian said, Jax wanted a 10+ year top-rated franchise QB and he's going to get it.

Just because other coaches are doing it doesn't mean it was a good move. He could have got a great 2 great CB, WR, DE or LB with those pick and grabbed a playoff winning starting level QB for a point. That way secure 2 positions for the next 10 years. To be honest There is nothing wrong with Love.

A QB1 6 Jordan Love OK 8 0-0 0 80 78 80 96 70 86 92 83
80 78 80 96 70 86 92 83
QB Jayden Daniels OK R 0-0 0 80 80 80 95 70 87 90 82
80 80 81 95 70 87 92 84
Love is only -2 ac -1ag +1st -1en -1di Is that really enough of an upgrade to give up two first?

A QB1 6 Jordan Love OK 8 0-0 0 80 78 80 96 70 86 92 83
80 78 80 96 70 86 92 83
A QB1 1 Mac Jones OK 6 0-0 0 80 77 78 96 69 86 92 84
80 78 79 96 70 87 92 84

Love is +1AC +2ag +1ha -1di over an MVP QB. I don't think Love is the problem

He gave up two top 5 picks and really didn't improve his team. That is what I call bad trade

[Steve-Buffalo Bills]

Bringing it back to the points trading concern, maybe we consider some changes for next offseason? Just to limit points hoarding and deter excessive bail outs? Maybe limit how many points you can trade for a pick (create a table of ranges)? As for high first round picks, maybe we create a safety net and say that if you finish in the bottom five, you can't trade your future 1st round pick to playoff teams.

I'm not going to propose anything because I have been so burned by making proposals but if it's such a concern, maybe someone else should.

[Donovon-Steelers]

There were 4 teams aggressively asking about that 1-1 pick, most of whom were going after Daniels because he has good SP/AC/AG, 95 ST and MAX POTs @ 87 END / 92 INT / 84 DI -- something that only a handful of QBs possess and compared to them, Daniels' overall ACTs are already as good or BETTER than all of them. Like Brian said, Jax wanted a 10+ year top-rated franchise QB and he's going to get it.

Just because other coaches are doing it doesn't mean it was a good move. He could have got a great 2 great CB, WR, DE or LB with those pick and grabbed a playoff winning starting level QB for a point. That way secure 2 positions for the next 10 years. To be honest There is nothing wrong with Love.

A QB1 6 Jordan Love OK 8 0-0 0 80 78 80 96 70 86 92 83
80 78 80 96 70 86 92 83
QB Jayden Daniels OK R 0-0 0 80 80 80 95 70 87 90 82
80 80 81 95 70 87 92 84
Love is only -2 ac -1ag +1st -1en -1di Is that really enough of an upgrade to give up two first?

A QB1 6 Jordan Love OK 8 0-0 0 80 78 80 96 70 86 92 83
80 78 80 96 70 86 92 83
A QB1 1 Mac Jones OK 6 0-0 0 80 77 78 96 69 86 92 84
80 78 79 96 70 87 92 84

Love is +1AC +2ag +1ha -1di over an MVP QB. I don't think Love is the problem

He gave up two top 5 picks and really didn't improve his team. That is what I call bad trade

You're arrogant to assume Matt's automatically giving up a top 5 pick next year just because he hasn't been successful recently. But that's not surprising how you personally bash Dean every chance you get even though since I've been here he's been to a Super Bowl and you've done squat.

[Donovon-Steelers]

Bringing it back to the points trading concern, maybe we consider some changes for next offseason? Just to limit points hoarding and deter excessive bail outs? Maybe limit how many points you can trade for a pick (create a table of ranges)? As for high first round picks, maybe we create a safety net and say that if you finish in the bottom five, you can't trade your future 1st round pick to playoff teams.

I'm not going to propose anything because I have been so burned by making proposals but if it's such a concern, maybe someone else should.

These aren't bad ideas. I remember after Thomas won his last super bowl and then had the #1 pick in the draft thinking the rich were getting richer. Limiting point hoarding (see James) and/or excessively trading them have been discussed before and also have merit.

[Neil-Raiders]

Re: Point Betting and Trading
Postby James-Eagles » Thu Feb 06, 2025 6:11 am

"It is time to say the empire is naked. I am so tired of these if and maybe. Jacksonville and Atlanta are most likely top 5 picks next and for the forseeable future. Jacksonville won 4 games against LV, Atl, NYG and GB. Atlanta beat NYG. In Points differential the bottom three teams- New York Giants -210, Atlanta -150 and Jacksonville -131. The next two are Las Vegas with -90 and Green Bay -59 both of them together would just pass Jacksonsville. For these teams to turn the corner they need major roster improvements and PPP improvements. I think both of you are smart enough to do it but first you need to get out of your own way. You need to seriously take a look at all your mistakes and stop making them over and over. Don't trade your picks hell I wouldn't make a trade if I was either of you unless to trade a person you are planning on cutting or is retiring until you you get your PPPs to be at least competitive."

Everyone, please come take a seat so we can listen and learn from the master.

Per his own records, James has invested 34 seasons in the PNFL, and yet every other coach in the league has as many (or more) championships as he does.

The only reason your roster is so competitive right now is that you made a trade with Dean that quite frankly should have been disallowed by the league because there was nothing 'NFL-like' about it. Granted, that happened before my time in the PNFL so perhaps there are details that I'm unaware of, but that trade (coupled with a few seasons of basically tanking) enabled you to have early draft picks (in draft classes that were better than they are 3-5 seasons later) and a large number of points to make trades that you typically wouldn't have been able to make otherwise. In addition, you literally purchased multiple boosted FA rookies which also would not be possible in the NFL. Otherwise, (based upon your 34 seasons of a being loser), it's likely that there would be nothing special about your roster. Successfully gaming the system isn't proof of superior GM skills, whereas 34 losing seasons is proof of the opposite.

[James-Eagles]

Bringing it back to the points trading concern, maybe we consider some changes for next offseason? Just to limit points hoarding and deter excessive bail outs? Maybe limit how many points you can trade for a pick (create a table of ranges)? As for high first round picks, maybe we create a safety net and say that if you finish in the bottom five, you can't trade your future 1st round pick to playoff teams.

I'm not going to propose anything because I have been so burned by making proposals but if it's such a concern, maybe someone else should.

These aren't bad ideas. I remember after Thomas won his last super bowl and then had the #1 pick in the draft thinking the rich were getting richer. Limiting point hoarding (see James) and/or excessively trading them have been discussed before and also have merit.

I dont think they are bad ideas. I am more a fan of reseting the points every season and just spread current point totals over 10 seasons.

[Matt-Jacksonville]

Getting back on subject. I think we need to do the reset moving forward we only get the points that Rich sets the league at and it's use or lose. To be fair to those who have large numbers of points, I'd say subtract the current year's allotment (whenever we start this) and divide by two. That number gets split over the next ten seasons and added to the respective coach. A person can destroy their foot just as easy with a .22 versus a .50 cal machine gun. Might be easier to do with the bigger gun, but the point is no matter what you do or how much "protection" you put into place someone will always find a way around it and someone will always find a way to exploit it. I say leave the point trading decision up to Rich and Charlie to decide. I think it's not a bad idea for a GM that can't sign all his draft picks because he made a mistake.

As the game gets older and the "talent pool" gets smaller and smaller, we need to find ways to make the game more attractive to new guys and not a burden. For some guys it's not always about the Wins. It's about the experience and sharing a game with like minded people who make the experience fun.

[Brian-Broncos]

As the game gets older and the "talent pool" gets smaller and smaller...

But this isn't really happening, despite the effort, other than maybe a couple of positions, such as QB and DE (side note: this is also why I think Jacksonville is going for Daniels now, along with Love being on season 8.) I mean just look at the top-10 HBs in this draft pool. They're nearly indistinguishable aside from an extra point in one skill over another skill. And several, just like in other draft pools, will become newly top-level talent 8 seasons or so from now because their actuals are so low, meaning, in 8 seasons a whole new crop of top-level talent will be there to choose from, from this draft pool, as well as last season's draft pool, and next season's draft pool, and so on.

My point is you're all making a big stink out of (mostly) nothing. I get it to a point where some teams seem to accumulate more and more draft picks and points, but the way the players are, it doesn't even really matter.

Actually, I'm wrong, it does matter. I'm sure a big reason the player pool isn't being made anywhere near as diverse as I would like is so GM-ing is really taken out of the league due to how much advantage some teams seem to earn. Maybe to have a diverse pool of players, trading would need to be banned altogether, or at least severely limited in some way? Would you rather have trading of players and points that don't really matter, or a diverse pool of players and no trading? Seems a no-brainer really, so why are we doing the wrong one?

[Justin-Chicago]

Zero trading and a more diverse talent pool are two of the things the PCFL has going for it. Just saying, it's never too late to join.

[Dean-Atlanta]

Zero trading and a more diverse talent pool are two of the things the PCFL has going for it. Just saying, it's never too late to join.

We have 9 teams open and we are playing week 8 of our second season this weekend. AS it has been here, playing defense better has been my challenge in the PCFL.I went 6-6 last season and my defense improved in the second half of the season, but a late -season loss to Arkansas, combined with early season losses, took me out of the playoff. This season my team is 6-1, the loss being to Justin's well coached Texas Longhorns team.

There has been some serious condensation going on in this discussion. Now let's see if you all will bring that to the field of play this season.