Point Betting and Trading

[James-Eagles]

I actually kind of like it. It's causing teams to spend those points. Dean traded 15 points to Shawn for a 2nd round pick in the next draft that most likely will be top 5 (unless Dean has found the new, better version of Fields in Burrows to return his team its 2041 glory). This diminished Atlanta's points considerably. At the same time, Shawn who was at 0.5 points before the trade (due to restructuring costs) now has points to spend on Free Agents. He already spent 10 of those points and is back to 5 for PS insurance. Kind of balanced out,

Let's be clear Dean is bailing out Shawn for the second year in a row by over paying for a pick. No matter how you spin the 19th pick isn't worth 10 points let alone 15. This is charity not being a GM. Atlanta hasn't made a good trade this season and we all know it. Oh Atlanta might do better this year are we as delusional as Cowboys fans. A good year for Dean is 5 wins. Dean prove me wrong but your track record is you make may be 1 good trade out of 20 a year and coach your team into the ground.

Matt, Your trade with Pittsburgh is just bad. If you are rebuilding a team you should never give up 2 top 5 picks to get the number one pick. There isn't that much of a difference between 1 and 5. When was the last time you were out of the top 5 picks and how many times have you taken that pick? If you rebuilding you should be adding 1st round picks not combining them.

So lets review teams that keep over paying for Free Agents, picks, etc. and trading their first rounder picks keep losing. You can say what you want about what I did but I had a plan and stuck with it. There is no reason to be point strapped unless you are bad at point management. There is no reason if you are a bad team to ever trade you first unless another bad team offers you two first. Stop being farm teams for playoff teams.

This needs to be said and it needs to stop. I am tired of Atlanta,Jacksonville,and New York being the laughing stock of the league. I like all of you. You are way too smart to keep doing the same thing over and over and think oh this time it will work.

[Brian-Broncos]

Atlanta hasn't made a good trade this season and we all know it.

I liked Atlanta's trade for Burrow. QB isn't one of the positions where you can just drop 5 points on a free agent and you pick up first round talent. Plus there isn't a lot of talent in the draft. This was a good move. I agree that Atlanta paid too many points for the picks.

Matt, Your trade with Pittsburgh is just bad. If you are rebuilding a team you should never give up 2 top 5 picks to get the number one pick. There isn't that much of a difference between 1 and 5.

I'm calling it now: This is all about getting Jayden Daniels and is the only way he'd be able to get him. He paid a high 1st-rounder and got a 3rd-rounder back. Not at all outrageous. He paid that, not to move up five spots, but for the first pick in the draft, for the one top-tier QB in this draft that can start pretty close to right away.

I think both trades show our QB's are close to being "right" in the draft and free agency and is what we should be striving for with the other positions, with some positions being more extreme than others (e.g. QB, DE). That said, there are still too many top-tier QBs in the league. There shouldn't be enough QBs with ST+IN+DI combined that is within 1 of maximum for every team to have one, like it is right now. But that it took some creative maneuvering for the few remaining teams to get their QB was beautiful.

[Dean-Atlanta]

I was planning on sticking with Hendon Hooker at QB but I sent a late offer on Joe Burrow to Charlie after he posted on the forum and we ended up making trade. This off-season I'm not creating another 50 new plays to reinvent my offense while going into another season where I may give up 450 points on defense again.

If Matt traded up to draft Jayden Daniels, that maybe prove to be a good move. Daniels is a younger version of Joe Burrow and will be one of the best QBs in the PNFL. He is 79 80 80 95 with 87 EN and if trained in IN/DI he will be 91 83 in those ratings. He will have the skill ratings, even before being maxxed to 92 84, to coached into the top 5 of the Qb stats in the season statistics. Throwing the ball to George P. and the other WRs on Jax, he should be able to have a solid rookie season at QB.

That 12-4 was quite good Let's see if it was repeated.

[Dean-Atlanta]

Here is that infamous Jax-PItt trade:

Jacksonville gets
2046 1-1
2046 3-11

Pittsburgh gets
2046 1-5
2047 1st rounder (Jacksonville)

Conventional wisdom and one-dimensional linear thinking can make it easy to trash this trade for Jax. But I say Not So Fast...

The real value of the 2047 1st round pick is not yet known and that will determine how much Jax may have over paid for the 1st overall pick in this season's draft.

If Jax has a few 11+ wins seasons from 2046-2048 and has some goods playoffs runs, and it is clear that QB Jayden Daniels (assuming that is the plan for that pick) plays a big role in that success. that 2047 1st could be 14-16th in the 2047 draft. The the trade is a 5th overall and a 14-16 overall for first overall and 37th overall. But if you assume that the first 4 picks this year go to defensive players and Jayden Daniels is still available at the 5th pick, then you could say a degree of anxiety maybe be a factor in this trade.

I can remember when I had the 3rd overall I obtained from GB (then the Anaheim Rams) that I traded to get a top WR, and I figured anyone reading that situation could EASILY guess I was taking the WR (which ended up being Quentin Johnston) but one coach who absolutely has to have the top 2 CBs in the draft at the 2nd and 3rd picks overall about had the 2nd and 4th, offered me the 4th round pick and EIGHT points for the 3rd. I suspected he wanted the CBs and traded me 8 so value points because he was anxious I might take a CB at #3. I figured if he took Quetin Johnston, I just take Jalin Hyatt at #4. So I made the deal and picked up the 8 points and selected Johnston at #4 after the Jets took the best LB at #1 and then the 2 CBs were selected 2nd and 3rd.

Stick with 2nd and 4th he still gets the 2 CBs and has 8 more points.

Yes hindsight is 20/20 we will see how the Jax-Pitt trade looks in a few seasons.

[James-Eagles]

It doesn't take hindsight to know if it was bad. Just because it works out doesn't make it right. There are trade I made in the heat of the moments that I had justifications for but still know they were bad trades.

For the record Dean that was a bad trade but I had the points to give. I knew it was a bad trade at the time that I had justifications for. I have made tons of bad trades. The difference is I can see they are bad and I haven't done it again. Last year when I traded my first those talks started when Seattle looked to be the number 1 pick in the draft. I also knew I had a better than 50% chance of being in the playoffs the next year. I had a favorable schedule and only needed to beat out Charlie. That being said Charlie gave me a scare but Justin was too busy to crush my hopes and dreams so there was a lot of luck in that run.

Now the QB discussions this isn't the NFL.

First round QB
2045 0 First QB taken with the 41st pick)
2044 1 Pittsburgh-Will Levis(17th) ( Next 28th)
2043 1 New Orleans-Bryce Young(8th)(Next 38th)
2042 0 First QB taken 37th pick
2041 1 Amaheim-Malik Willis (next 58th)
2040 1 Green Bay Trevor Lawrence(4th)(Next 58th pick)
2039 2 Kansas City-Justin Fields(3rd), Seattle-Zach Wilson(5th) No other QBs taken
2038 1 Detroit Tua Tagovailoa(5th) (next 22nd)
2037 1 San Fran-Joe Burrows (1st) (next 67th pick)
2036 1 New York Jets-Drew Lock (17th)(next 34th)

Of the above 9 QBs Lock, Young, Lawrence and Wilson were the only ones starting at the end of the season. There are only 10 QBs drafted in the first round in the league.

I most cases a QB is late 2nd to 3rd round grade at best. There are rare cases like Burrow etc that puts them in the 1st round but those are people reaching and it is late 1st to mid 2nd at best. Yes, I draft Tua. It was a win now Cap move. I cut all my QBs to get under the cap so it was because I thought Tua was worth it. It was because I rather keep all my other positions. Brock Purdy was a 1 point Free Agent.

WR,CB,LB DE, and S are all valued above a QB. You could make a case for T,G,C, HB, and DT are above a QB.


It is time to say the empire is naked. I am so tired of these if and maybe. Jacksonville and Atlanta are most likely top 5 picks next and for the forseeable future. Jacksonville won 4 games against LV, Atl, NYG and GB. Atlanta beat NYG. In Points differential the bottom three teams- New York Giants -210, Atlanta -150 and Jacksonville -131. The next two are Las Vegas with -90 and Green Bay -59 both of them together would just pass Jacksonsville. For these teams to turn the corner they need major roster improvements and PPP improvements. I think both of you are smart enough to do it but first you need to get out of your own way. You need to seriously take a look at all your mistakes and stop making them over and over. Don't trade your picks hell I wouldn't make a trade if I was either of you unless to trade a person you are planning on cutting or is retiring until you you get your PPPs to be at least competitive.

[James-Eagles]

Just to drive the point home Lock was signed as a 1 point free Agent by Minnesota because Steve couldn't trade him. QBs have less value than most of you seem to think.

[Brian-Broncos]

QBs have less value than most of you seem to think.

Said by a coach with a 96/92/84 QB.

When your QB is ranked 22 out of 18 teams, that becomes your priority, whether or not it even matters since all our points are so close. And when there is one or two in the draft, and only one is "capable" of starting right away and is also one of the top overall QBs, this is what you do.

I'm only talking about the #1 pick and Burrow trades though. I'm not judging their other horrible trades (jk).

[Mitch-Oilers]

QBs have less value than most of you seem to think.

Said by a coach with a 96/92/84 QB.

When your QB is ranked 22 out of 18 teams, that becomes your priority, whether or not it even matters since all our points are so close. And when there is one or two in the draft, and only one is "capable" of starting right away and is also one of the top overall QBs, this is what you do.

I'm only talking about the #1 pick and Burrow trades though. I'm not judging their other horrible trades (jk).

There were 14 QBs coming into the FA period that had ST 95/96 IN 91/92 DI 83/84. These 14 include the upcoming draft pool.

Plenty of talented QBs floating around...

[Donovon-Steelers]

There were 4 teams aggressively asking about that 1-1 pick, most of whom were going after Daniels because he has good SP/AC/AG, 95 ST and MAX POTs @ 87 END / 92 INT / 84 DI -- something that only a handful of QBs possess and compared to them, Daniels' overall ACTs are already as good or BETTER than all of them. Like Brian said, Jax wanted a 10+ year top-rated franchise QB and he's going to get it.

[James-Eagles]

QBs have less value than most of you seem to think.

Said by a coach with a 96/92/84 QB.

When your QB is ranked 22 out of 18 teams, that becomes your priority, whether or not it even matters since all our points are so close. And when there is one or two in the draft, and only one is "capable" of starting right away and is also one of the top overall QBs, this is what you do.

I'm only talking about the #1 pick and Burrow trades though. I'm not judging their other horrible trades (jk).

I don't think trading for Burrow was bad. I think he way overpaid. Especially with talent that is out there. The 14th rank QB is still in Free Agency and won't have a physical for all 3 years of that contract.

And I can say it I have the 44th rank QB in the league as my starter. I also traded what at the time was the top pot QB while having QBs ranked in the the 40s act(Pot 30s) on my team

Las Vegas sends
2042 first round #6(CB Trent McDuffie)
2042 second round #24(NYG 2043 second round pick)(packed 20 and 32in 2043) CB Emanuel Forbes and 2nd(that was used to trade for WR Shi Smith)

2043 first round (CB Joey Porter jr.) I traded LV first and 8 points to switch with Atlanta(Bad Trade)

Detroit sends
2042 first round #11(DE Jermaine Johnson)
QB Barriere


Yes,I had what was the #1 Pot QB at the time and trade him to get 3 CBs and a WR. Building a team is about get value and pieces not by high splash moves. The trade above the whole podcast and other coaches though I made a bad move on my part. But PNFL is about building a team one player won't matter much if the rest are meh. Yep I value having a high Pot QB right now because I got lucky and got a boost.

The off-season that trade was made was the one after Dean made the Super Bowl.