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Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:34 pm
by Dean-Atlanta
Jerry-Redskins wrote:Lean toward James on this one. I get the idea to create a way to drop created plays into categories similar to the pass zone principle and the run part fits that pretty well. I worry a little it may turn into only pass D's being created. I'm guilty of keeping minimal S on my roster as CB's have been more important on D. Of course, I got ran over this season :cry:

I'm interested to see what others think as ultimately I do not think the proposal is a major change and does create more of a way to define RL and PS, but the defense play fixes going on will likely already have an impact on next season.


No worries there for me. I'm creating new defenses with 3 DLs, 2 or more LBs, and 2-3 safeties. and all of them fully legal on thew bump issues and woith 3 men defending the LOS.

I think going into the future, defenses dropping 2-3 DLs into coverage or using 7 CBs, other than PRD and maybe PL, will be liabilities on defense.

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:38 pm
by Dean-Atlanta
Matt-Jacksonville wrote:I'm going to vote no to two safeties for all run categories.

If we want to vote in 1 S required, I'd be for that, but I don't think requiring two would be a good idea. What if I want to run a 4-4 ? You only have three DBs there and you will want two CB's leaving only one S.


How about...

for running plays RL,RM,RR:

4 DL, 2 LB, 1 S
3 DL, 2 LB, 2 S
2 DL, 3 LB, 2 S
2 DL. 2 LB, 3 S

still leaves option of using 4 CBs

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:45 pm
by Dean-Atlanta
I would vote for Option A between those choices as outlined by Steve.

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:10 pm
by Charlie-49ers
Considering the diversity in the NFL these days it seems to me that the addition of the Safety is appropriate.

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:53 pm
by Tim-Colts
Option A

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:35 pm
by Shawn-Giants
Vote A

I appreciate the off-season evolution and forward thinking, changes that are within reason and logical without much disruption. This falls into that category for me.

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:48 am
by Moxs - Patriots
NE Option A

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:03 pm
by Donovon-Steelers
Option A

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:35 pm
by Charlie-49ers
A

Re: PROPOSAL: Rewrite the definition of some defenses

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm
by Steve-LA Chargers
Option A likely passes. If so, here is a DEFENSIVE PLAY CHEAT SHEET you can reference. Easier to see it all in one place.

Goal Line Run
Player requirements: 3DL-3LB-1S
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 3LBs
 Must have 1 Safety but not required to have additional DBs
Other requirements:
 At least 7 Players (ANY) must have RUN FOCUSED defense

Run Razzle Dazzle
Player requirements: 3DL-3LB-1S-1CB
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 3LBs
 Must have a minimum of 2DBs (1 must be a Safety) but no more than 5DBs
Other requirements:
 At least 7 Players (ANY) must have RUN FOCUSED defense

Run Right
Player requirements: 3DL-3LB-1S-3CB
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 3LBs
 Must have a minimum of 4DBs (1 must be a Safety) but no more than 5DBs
Other requirements:
 At least 8 Players (ANY) must have RUN FOCUSED defense

Run Middle
Player requirements: 3DL-3LB-1S-3CB
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 3LBs
 Must have a minimum of 4DBs (1 must be a Safety) but no more than 5DBs
Other requirements:
 7 Players (ANY) must have RUN FOCUSED. defense

Run Left
Player requirements: 3DL-2LB-1S-3CB
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 2LBs
 Must have a minimum of 4DBs (1 must be a Safety) but no more than 6DBs
Other requirements:
 No more than 6 Players (ANY) can have RUN FOCUSED defense

Pass Short
Player requirements: 2DL-2LB-1S-3CB | 3DL-1LB-4DB | 4DL-0LB-4DB
 Must have a minimum of 4DBs but no more than 7 DBs
 2DL formations must have a minimum of 2LBs and one of the DBs must be a Safety
Other requirements:
 At least 5 Players (ANY) must have PASS-FOCUSED defense
 At least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.
 In 2DL formations, at least one of the two DLs must defend the LOS. As such, one DL is permitted to drop into pass coverage.

Pass Medium
Minimum players: 2DL-2LB-5CB | 3DL-2LB-5DB | 4DL-2LB-5DB
 Require a minimum of 2DLs and 2LB
 Must have 5DBs but no more than 7DBs allowed
Other requirements:
 At least 5 Players (ANY) must have PASS-FOCUSED defense.
 At least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.
 In 2DL formations, at least one of the two DLs must defend the LOS. As such, one DL is permitted to drop into pass coverage.

Pass Long
Player requirements: 2DL-2LB-5DB | 3DL-1LB-5DB | 4DL-1LB-5DB
 Require a minimum of 2DLs and 1LB
 Must have 5DBs but no more than 7DBs allowed
 Does not require a Safety
Other requirements:
 At least 6 Players (ANY) must have a PASS-FOCUSED defense
 At least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.
 In 2DL formations, both DLs can drop into pass coverage.

Pass Razzle Dazzle
Player requirements: 2DL-2LB-5DB | 3DL-1LB-5DB | 4DL-0LB-5DB
 2DL requires a minimum of 2LB
 3DL requires a minimum of 1LB
 4DL does not require an LB
 Must have 5DBs but no more than 7DBs allowed
Other requirements:
 At least 7 Players (ANY) must have a PASS-FOCUSED defense.
Must have at least two players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) defending the LOS.
 In 2DL formations, both DLs can drop into pass coverage.

Goal Line Pass
Player requirements: 3DL-1LB
 Must have a minimum of 3DLs and 1LB
 No DB requirement, but no more than 7DBs allowed
Other requirements:
 At least 5 Players (ANY) must have PASS-FOCUSED defense
 At least three DLs must defend the LOS

Hope this breakdown makes it much easier to visualize. All of it came from our existing rules with amendments made from Option A, so don't get all critical of it. I don't truly know what the VPNFL definition of RUN FOCUSED defense versus PASS FOCUSED defense really means 100% from a logic perspective, but I'm sure Charlie will tell you if your new plays fail to meet that. :D