Proposed Rules Enhancement for XR Players

[James-Eagles]

If we want to be NFL like there are a few changes would have to happen.

1. 3 or less years so that means all draft picks wouldn't not qualify for this.(injuries can allow Drafted players to qualify for this but PNFL doesn't track that so no Drafted players)
2. The reason teams get compensation in the NFL is they offer a player a tender offer of greater value. You have to offer a contract to set the value. It isn't what the team bidding is winning to pay. It is what you offer that set the compensation. You offer 0 points so you are entitled to 0 points.


But seriouslly we are trying to remove points from the system not move them around. We are trying to make the rules similiar not more complex.

It is simple if you don't want to risk losing the player don't tag him. You already get more tags than the NFL does.

XF and XTran tags in the NFL are an either or and almost no one uses them.


Lets review right now you get 2 tag instead of 1 tag for vets. While NFL lets you restrict anyone who qualifies. They ahve to have 3 or less years in the NFL(PNFL 5) you have to offer them 1st or2nd around level money (it cost you nothing)

I think I rather keep what we currently have

[Tim-Colts]

Sorry for stepping on everybody's lawns. I promise it won't happen again. I will no longer make any proposals or vote on any proposals.

[Donovon-Steelers]

Well, it sounds like Tim's withdrawn this(?), but the assertion that his proposal "adds points" is simply wrong. It does no such thing. It just transfers points to from one team to another with NO net effect. At the time of FA opening, there were 799.5 points in the league. After FA, only 25.5 points had been spent on XR players - that's 3% - so let's not exaggerate and act like Tim's suggestion would in any way disrupt the system. The results would be negligible to the overall points objective.

[Jerry-Redskins]

The points that would have been taken out for the XR bid absolutely stay in the league pot. The question is why would it be good to change the XR? What is the problem now? It appears based on the post it is so people will be less likely to bid on them and if they do the XR teams gets something. Why should we discourage it and reward the owning team? We are talking about a category of a FA. Means they are open to take.

Based on my experience, I get the sense there are teams that may get upset their players are bid on and others who believe XR should be kinda untouchable and a free contract in some unwritten way. My opinion is 100% opposite. If any player is made available and their value and cost line up for me to improve my team, I'm bidding. It's not personal or out of spite. Bottom line, I will use the player. If some believe I'm doing it to cause an issue, they are wrong. I'm willing to spend the points I bid to acquire the player to improve my roster. This is a competition to win. The owning team is trying to save points on a player and as a bidder, I'm trying to get a player for a cheaper price as well.

My DT corps is the weakest unit on my team and the two I bid on are ACT rated as the 24th and 28th best in the league. Both DT2 and before moving on the the 1 year rental DT Cowart would be DT1 on my roster at the time. ~ 10 teams would be upgraded by them. The WR is ACT rated #37 and would be WR4 on my team. The bigger question is why a team would let a starting caliber player hit FA if they have available points. All a risk/value assessment, but a reason to change the rules or possibly be upset? Not in my opinion.

I did not get upset losing my XR LB. He is ACT rated #64 making him LB3/4, but he was LB6 on my roster. I had no other option as a XR and did not want to spend more points on that position and planned to draft a LB in the 1st or 2nd round already. It was cut him or go XR. I had nothing to lose and went XR. He got bid on and I did not match. The teams that matched their XR's still got a starting caliber player on a 3 year contract at less than 6 points which was a win. I had to pivot and take the 1 year rental and DT will be an issue again next off season. All part of roster management.

[Barney - Vikings]

I like this proposal.

[Rich-League Officer]

[quote="Tim-Colts"]In the NFL, there is a similar player restriction designation like the PNFL. In the NFL, when a player is designated a RFA (restricted free agent) they will be tagged as a certain round player. This does 2 things one for the tagging team and one for the player. Based on the round of the tag, if the player signs with a new team the tagging team can either match the contract or get compensated with a pick from the designated or tagged round. For the player, this guarantees a certain average salary amount based on that tag.

Here is the proposal to at least make the PNFL have some similarity to the real NFL. Starting next season, I propose that we have the points that a XR player signs for be sent to the original tagging team if they don't "match" the contract. In this way, the original tagging team will receive some compensation for losing a player that was tagged if they don't want to match the offer.

Here are a few pros and cons I can think of from this system:

Pros
1. The original tagging team has the motivation not to match since they receive compensation.
2. The signing team will potentially not bid as high knowing they are giving points to another team.
3. This could help some teams keep other players with these additional points or sign new players.

Cons
1. This causes a signing team to not want to help a division rival by giving them points to sign their tagged player.
2. More work for Rich, although he seemed to agree that this would not be a huge deal for him.

Share your thoughts below.[/quote]


I don't hate the idea
It is no more work to give the points to the other team.
But, it does keep those points in the economy which I do not like.

The part about draft pick compensation is interesting.
I would almost rather see the bidding team pay this comp in a pick the next season than in points.
I do not favor league created compensatory pick because you lost a XR.
But, I would favor a system where a team was given a comp pick from the bidding team based on how many points the player signs for.

[Dean-Atlanta]

So the team winning the bids on a XR player would pay the point bid (taking those points out of the economy) and a picks in the next season's draft. I think this make sense. Maybe it could be a scale like this based on winning points bid on the XR player:

1-2 points: 7th round pick
3-4 points: 6th round pick
5-6 points: 5th round pick
7+ points: 4th round pick

This disincentivizes "erroneous" or "frivolous" bids because winning them, trades the points, and a draft pick, for winning the player. This also increases the value of the XR tags and I think that is a good idea.

[Rich-League Officer]

For the record, I am not saying we need to do anything.
I am happy to leave it alone.
BUT, if there is a system to more replicate how the NFL operates, than I would support it.
I am not aware of how the NFL does it and have not researched it.

Also, we would have another decision to make on this idea.
Does the bidding team lose the points and the pick?
Just the pick?
If a team does not have a 6th round pick, can he bid?
Again, just throwing this out for discussion.

Tim has an interesting idea worthy of a conversation.

[Donovon-Steelers]

So the team winning the bids on a XR player would pay the point bid (taking those points out of the economy) and a picks in the next season's draft. I think this make sense. Maybe it could be a scale like this based on winning points bid on the XR player:

1-2 points: 7th round pick
3-4 points: 6th round pick
5-6 points: 5th round pick
7+ points: 4th round pick

This disincentivizes "erroneous" or "frivolous" bids because winning them, trades the points, and a draft pick, for winning the player. This also increases the value of the XR tags and I think that is a good idea.

I agree with what Dean said here, but would probably even be a little more aggressive:

1-1.5 points: 7th round pick
2-2.5 points: 6th round pick
3-3.5 points: 5th round pick
4+ points: 4th round pick

And to answer Rich's question, if they don't have that particular pick, then they have these options: (1) increase the bid to apply a pick they do own, (2) engage in a trade offer, or (3) don't bid.

[Donovon-Steelers]

In the NFL, the potential draft pick compensation level is predicated on what round the player was originally drafted.