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I understand it I just don't think it is needed at this time.

Lean toward James on this one. I get the idea to create a way to drop created plays into categories similar to the pass zone principle and the run part fits that pretty well. I worry a little it may turn into only pass D's being created. I'm guilty of keeping minimal S on my roster as CB's have been more important on D. Of course, I got ran over this season

I'm interested to see what others think as ultimately I do not think the proposal is a major change and does create more of a way to define RL and PS, but the defense play fixes going on will likely already have an impact on next season.

I'm going to vote no to two safeties for all run categories.

If we want to vote in 1 S required, I'd be for that, but I don't think requiring two would be a good idea. What if I want to run a 4-4 ? You only have three DBs there and you will want two CB's leaving only one S.

What if we reduced the requirement to 1 safety for run categories? Everyone has at least two safeties so this shouldn't be an issue.

OPTION A

Update on Custom Plans rules page:
Pass Short: All new Pass Short plays that have two DLs must have two LBs and one safety. At least one of the two DLs must defend the LOS. As such, one DL is permitted to drop into pass coverage, but in any event, at least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.

Update to the Custom Plays rules page:
D05: Defensive Player Formation Requirements
1. Each defensive Play must employ at least.
• 2 DL and 2 or more LBs; or
• 3 DL and 1 or more LBs; or
• 4 DL and 0 or more LBs.
o With 4 or more DLs, no LBs are required for PASS DEFENSIVE PLAYS.
o RUN defense categories except RL must have at least 3 LBs (e.g., 4-3, 3-3, etc.). Applies to Run Razzle Dazzle, Goal Line Run, Run Right, Run Middle.
o RL defenses must have at least 2 LBs (e.g., 3-2, 4-2, etc.).
2. No defensive Play can have more than 7 DBs
• Run category defensive plays must have at least 1 Safety, as these are the hard-hitting, run-stopper DBs.
3. The following restrictions apply to 2-DL Plays:
• 2-DL PASS SHORT defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 7 DBs (at least one must be a Safety).
• 2-DL PASS MEDIUM, PASS LONG, PASS RAZZLE DAZZLE defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 7 DBs (any).

Option A makes sure the current rules we have are clarified, makes the numbers by position mathematically make sense toward 11, distinguishes between run and pass categories through the single safety requirement, and eliminates the ridiculous requirement of 3 LBs for 2-DL PS by making that type of PS the only one that requires a Safety.

If the only hang up on option A is the safety requirement for run category plays, then consider Option B.

OPTION B

Update on Custom Plans rules page:
Pass Short: All new Pass Short plays that have two DLs must have two LBs and one safety. At least one of the two DLs must defend the LOS. As such, one DL is permitted to drop into pass coverage, but in any event, at least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.

Update to the Custom Plays rules page:
D05: Defensive Player Formation Requirements
1. Each defensive Play must employ at least.
• 2 DL and 2 or more LBs; or
• 3 DL and 1 or more LBs; or
• 4 DL and 0 or more LBs.
o With 4 or more DLs, no LBs are required for PASS DEFENSIVE PLAYS.
o RUN defense categories except RL must have at least 3 LBs (e.g., 4-3, 3-3, etc.). Applies to Run Razzle Dazzle, Goal Line Run, Run Right, Run Middle.
o RL defenses must have at least 2 LBs (e.g., 3-2, 4-2, etc.).
2. No defensive Play can have more than 7 DBs
3. The following restrictions apply to 2-DL Plays:
• 2-DL PASS SHORT defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 7 DBs (at least one must be a Safety).
• 2-DL PASS MEDIUM, PASS LONG, PASS RAZZLE DAZZLE defenses must have at least 2 LBs and 7 DBs (any).

Option B solves our current problem quite well too. The main problem with Option B is that by not requiring a safety for RL there is no distinction between a RL and PS play other than these existing (vague) rules which don't define what logic meets its criteria:
 Pass Short: Must have 4 DBs and at least 5 Players (ANY) must have PASS-FOCUSED defense.
 Run Left: Must have 4 DBs and no more than 6 Players (ANY) can have RUN FOCUSED defense.


OPTION A or OPTION B? Feel free to vote.

LA Chargers vote for OPTION A

Option A

Just no I would say stop trying to break something that isn't broke.

Lions-James wrote:Just no I would say stop trying to break something that isn't broke.

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to fix. The current rules as written for D05 are a mess and are confusing. If you don't like the safety requirement thing you should be voting for option B as all it does is rewrite the existing rules in way that makes sense and eliminate the 3 LB requirement for 2-DL PS. Option B fixes at least minimally something that IS BROKE.

James votes for Option C obviously. He prefers to keep this mess:

OPTION C

From Custom Plans rules page:
Pass Short: New Pass Short plays will require a minimum of two DLs and three LBs. At least one of the two DLs must defend the LOS. As such, one DL is permitted to drop into pass coverage, but in any event, at least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.

From Custom Plays rules page:
D05: Defensive Player Formation Requirements
1. Each defensive Play must employ at least.
• 2 DL and 2 or more LBs; or
• 3 DL and 1 or more LBs; or
• 4 DL and 0 or more LBs.
o With 4 or more DLs, no LBs are required.
2. No defensive Play can have more than 7 DBs
3. The following restrictions apply to 2-DL Plays:
• RUN defense categories except RL must have at least 3 LBs (e.g. 4-3, 3-4, 3-3, etc.). Applies to Run Razzle Dazzle, Goal Line Run, Run Right, Run Middle. <Huh? Why is this listed under #3 which is about 2-DL plays?>
• RL defenses must have at least 2 LBs (e.g. 3-2, 3-3, 3-4, 4-2, 4-3, 4-4, etc.). <Huh? 2-DL plays aren't allowed for RL! Why list here?>
• PASS defenses must have at least 2 LBs (e.g. 2-2, 2-3, 3-2, 3-3, 3-4; 4-2, 4-3, etc.).

QUITE BROKEN TO ME

Here is Option D where we just keep the rules 'as is' but only put some of the text in the right place.

OPTION D

Update on Custom Plans rules page:
Pass Short: All Pass Short plays that have two DLs must have three LBs. This 3 LB requirement does not apply to PS plays that have more than 2-DLs. At least one of the two DLs must defend the LOS. As such, one DL is permitted to drop into pass coverage, but in any event, at least three players (DLs, LBs, and/or DBs) must defend the LOS.

Update to the Custom Plays rules page:
D05: Defensive Player Formation Requirements
1. Each defensive Play must employ at least.
• 2 DL and 2 or more LBs; or
• 3 DL and 1 or more LBs; or
• 4 DL and 0 or more LBs.
o With 4 or more DLs, no LBs are required for PASS DEFENSIVE PLAYS.
o RUN defense categories except RL must have at least 3 LBs (e.g., 4-3, 3-3, etc.). Applies to Run Razzle Dazzle, Goal Line Run, Run Right, Run Middle.
o RL defenses must have at least 2 LBs (e.g., 3-2, 4-2, etc.).
2. No defensive Play can have more than 7 DBs
3. The following restrictions apply to 2-DL Plays:
• 2-DL PASS SHORT defenses must have at least 3 LBs.
• 2-DL PASS MEDIUM, PASS LONG, PASS RAZZLE DAZZLE defenses must have at least 2 LBs.