Scoring by decades

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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:44 am

In the first season of the PCFL every team had nearly euqal overall talent with more variation in player ratings. Some teams recruiting more skillfully have opened up leads in talent on the roster. But this season the won-loss records and scores in the 2028 season of the PNFL show some degree of parity rising. We've had more upsets in game results.

I think parity is at an all time high in the PNFL even with Wash at 14-2 (still some close scores) and Chi at 13-3.
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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby Rich-League Officer » Fri Jul 10, 2026 7:11 pm

This is why very small changes in player diversity are best.
And Mitch makes a point, we have some very experienced coaches who should be able to manage a roster.
Just because we have historically had some great coaches, does not automatically mean they must be the best GMs too.
Even if you are a lousy coach at the moment, you can be a great GM.
For starters, stop handing over your first rd picks for pennies on the dollar.

Here are 2 pieces of GM advice:
#1 If you are a below .500 coach, never trade your first rd pick 6 months from that draft.
If you do trade it, stop lying to yourself by pretending it has equal value as Washington's.
Trade it pretending its the #1 pick in the draft each and every season and demand compensation accordingly.

#2 Never trade for players that are essentially no more talented to players in the FA pile.
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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby Mitch-Dolphins » Sat Jul 11, 2026 3:33 am

Rich-League Officer wrote:This is why very small changes in player diversity are best.
And Mitch makes a point, we have some very experienced coaches who should be able to manage a roster.
Just because we have historically had some great coaches, does not automatically mean they must be the best GMs too.
Even if you are a lousy coach at the moment, you can be a great GM.
For starters, stop handing over your first rd picks for pennies on the dollar.

Here are 2 pieces of GM advice:
#1 If you are a below .500 coach, never trade your first rd pick 6 months from that draft.
If you do trade it, stop lying to yourself by pretending it has equal value as Washington's.
Trade it pretending its the #1 pick in the draft each and every season and demand compensation accordingly.

#2 Never trade for players that are essentially no more talented to players in the FA pile.


#3 Never pay extra to restructure player contracts when you can sign the same or similar player for less in the FA pool.
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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby James-Eagles » Sat Jul 11, 2026 5:07 pm

Have a plan. A trade could look good if looked at without context. If you have a plan for your roster, it gives you context and can change how a trade looks drastically.
The coaches below 500, including me, need to remember we aren't 1 or 2 players away.

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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby Brian-Broncos » Thu Jul 16, 2026 12:21 pm

Mitch-Dolphins wrote:Your point is valid. I just hate that we've basically taken away the GM aspect of the PNFL in an attempt to compensate for coaches making bad decisions.

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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby James-Eagles » Thu Jul 16, 2026 2:44 pm

Mitch-Dolphins wrote:
Matt-Jacksonville wrote:Be careful what you wish for. I personally like the smaller spreads in PNFL, and prefer to have those in the PCFL. Rich has mentioned this before and I think it's playing out in the PCFL. Teams that know how and put the effort into the GM side will rise to the top and stay there. There would be no cases like Shuggy breaking through and making the playoffs or a Dan. They would find a way to horde the top talent and leave the rest of us with scraps. I prefer the PNFL to stay where it's PPP vs PPP instead of PPP + Roster vs PPP + Roster. I love the parity and think that if we went very far with the spread in the PNFL we'd lose that parity.


Your point is valid. I just hate that we've basically taken away the GM aspect of the PNFL in an attempt to compensate for coaches making bad decisions.

How about in the real NFL? There is a very marginal spread of player abilities. Just look at all the players who seem to perform better under different coaches. You like to point out how there is a small difference in our players. There are 40-60 rookies that are in each training camp, and on average 6 make the roster. That means only the top 10% ever make an NFL roster, and 62% retire by the end of their rookie contract. You are talking about NFL players that are in the top 4% of people that put on an NFL uniform. The gap you want isn't realistic in the least. I sometimes wonder if teams missing on the same position are less about scouting and more about coaching. Maybe why a backup struggles in the NFL might have more to do with reps with the other people on the team than with skill set.

I am curious how much of the league wants a larger spread of players and more free agency or is it just a vocal minority?

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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby Jerry-Redskins » Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:22 am

I support small additional amount of bell curve adjustment, but the differences in players does matter now. James is right in a different way. Most NFL games come down to a couple of calls/execution/bounces in each game. FBPRO being a math equation already means the combination of attribute value differences affects the odds as every play unfolds. All other things being equal, the better players will have more successful play results.

I feel we are better off with a league where everyone feels they have a chance and stays interested. GM matters now, how far is too far with the GM to coordinator matters ratio? The coaching should always be by far the most important. My opinion is I'd always favor coaching over GM if there is a decision point.
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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby Mitch-Dolphins » Fri Jul 17, 2026 6:19 am

James-Eagles wrote:
Mitch-Dolphins wrote:
Matt-Jacksonville wrote:Be careful what you wish for. I personally like the smaller spreads in PNFL, and prefer to have those in the PCFL. Rich has mentioned this before and I think it's playing out in the PCFL. Teams that know how and put the effort into the GM side will rise to the top and stay there. There would be no cases like Shuggy breaking through and making the playoffs or a Dan. They would find a way to horde the top talent and leave the rest of us with scraps. I prefer the PNFL to stay where it's PPP vs PPP instead of PPP + Roster vs PPP + Roster. I love the parity and think that if we went very far with the spread in the PNFL we'd lose that parity.


Your point is valid. I just hate that we've basically taken away the GM aspect of the PNFL in an attempt to compensate for coaches making bad decisions.

How about in the real NFL? There is a very marginal spread of player abilities. Just look at all the players who seem to perform better under different coaches. You like to point out how there is a small difference in our players. There are 40-60 rookies that are in each training camp, and on average 6 make the roster. That means only the top 10% ever make an NFL roster, and 62% retire by the end of their rookie contract. You are talking about NFL players that are in the top 4% of people that put on an NFL uniform. The gap you want isn't realistic in the least. I sometimes wonder if teams missing on the same position are less about scouting and more about coaching. Maybe why a backup struggles in the NFL might have more to do with reps with the other people on the team than with skill set.

I am curious how much of the league wants a larger spread of players and more free agency or is it just a vocal minority?


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Re: Scoring by decades

Postby Rich-League Officer » Sun Jul 19, 2026 9:45 pm

It is not ideal for some coaches but the forced retirements in the FA pool helps dilute the talent a bit.
Coaches will be forced to draft well and develop and use those younger players.
It will create a little more diversity in the players.
It will take some time but it's a step in the right direction.
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