Various Proposals

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Re: Various Proposals

Postby Charlie-49ers » Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:12 pm

Jerry-Redskins wrote:As noted there has always been a reason why almost 100% of leagues limited timed passes. The games defense just does not work right and timed passes have a tendency to be too good. We would need to tread carefully


This PLR Timed pass proposal (greater than 15 and less than 30 yards from the LOS) would only be considered if it was a Timed Lob pass giving the defender some additional time to respond. I will test some stuff if you want to send them, but only after you have thoroughly tested them.

Right now I need to figure out what happened to my PNFL Scout data.
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Re: Various Proposals

Postby Jerry-Redskins » Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:49 pm

I guess I do not know they need to be improved. I've had no personal reason to see them as poor. I think PRD plays being used more by some may just be they are too good for their job compared to PLR and as I noted in an earlier post that a team or two seem to just get after yardage at all cost and not play field position and situational football. There are some analytics that show throwing to the first down marker is always better, but it is likely a mixture is better.

Does PLR as a category need to be improved? I'm sure many of the plays can as Matt noted have less sacks, squeeze an extra yard out, or get a % or two better which is probably the key in this case I think we over look the fact that if you make PLR "better" then D's would need to be "better" and improved the same. Than PLR is back to where it was relatively. Not sure we need a major change to allow timed plays. I've seen a lot of comments from others seeing things as in a pretty good spot as is overall.

There needs to be a minimum base capability in the play files, but any improvements in theory get countered by the defense. It is a rough balance that is maintained. If a particular play call hits a success rate to good for the situation it would be as I noted before like the NBA and just throw up 3's all game.

I'm just not into building plays. I do dabble to get better OL play or more to counter a particular thing and use my preferred personnel package. For me this is all about the the situations and how to attack the other team. Do I use 2,3, or 4 sweep plays this week and should they be left or right? Will my opponent do better at defending roll outs? Do they call a high % of PM in this situation? All of this is less play important. No doubt I still want to use plays that will be more successful that week, but I tend to use a bunch of relatively successful plays and build the game plan to counter the opponent with the ones that hit a part of the field and/or keep them off balance. I'm as happy winning 20 to 10 as I am 35 to 28 if it is because of a great battle and not poor decisions on my part . It's the chess match part.
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Re: Various Proposals

Postby Steve-Buffalo Bills » Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:43 pm

Dean said he will check to see if PCFL coaches are willing to test timed lob PLRs in the PCFL. I think it’s a wise approach. Confirm things like this work in the PCFL way before we consider them in the PNFL. Gets us real data on the impact.
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Re: Various Proposals

Postby Matt-Jacksonville » Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:05 pm

One key thing we need to remember when talking about modifying rules that have been in place for a long time or moving away from rules that had been in FBPRO leagues for years, is that those rules were there for a reason. We don't want to get so far removed from that time that we forget why those rules existed and open ourselves up to repeat the same mistakes that were made that forced those rules in the first place.

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Re: Various Proposals

Postby Steve-Buffalo Bills » Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:03 am

Matt-Jacksonville wrote:One key thing we need to remember when talking about modifying rules that have been in place for a long time or moving away from rules that had been in FBPRO leagues for years, is that those rules were there for a reason. We don't want to get so far removed from that time that we forget why those rules existed and open ourselves up to repeat the same mistakes that were made that forced those rules in the first place.


Good point! Exactly why I would never approve timed bullet passes beyond 15 yards from the LOS in any category. We all know that is a dangerous road. Back when I was co-commish of the XFL after E.A. left, the other co-commish preferred a laze faire approach to rules. I think he influenced me somewhat. He believed the less restrictions the better. He was open to only banning obvious AI busters. Timed bullets past 15 yards being one of them. When I initially created the XFBS, I held onto this mindset at first, but Dean helped me see it was old school and that what we have here is new school and works better. Makes it feel far more realistic. We need to make sure we protect that.

The one thing about being a former commish, it's so hard to get your head out of the rule making world. I admit this is probably why I'm more inclined than others to make proposals. Some part of me feels compelled to help address things raised in the podcast or discord, etc. and bring things to a conclusion. I'm going to scale this back going forward though. Going with a 'let it be' mindset now to keep the peace.
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