Those hours invested in creating news plays...

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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Charlie-49ers » Mon May 01, 2023 5:56 pm

Dean-Atlanta wrote:Straw man argument again. NO ONE who spends time designing plays trusts what they see in the play editor. You know that. Everyone who creates plays knows that. Really weak and lame argument.


Dean, I am really getting tired of the negative comments directed at me. A simple "I disagree" would be sufficient. If you want to post a shitty war of words on the message board, I am happy to accommodate. I might have a few choice words about your submissions. However, I would prefer not.
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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Steve-LA Chargers » Mon May 01, 2023 7:26 pm

If someone tells me which of my existing AZ, LA or LAC plays clearly suck, I'll make an attempt to fix them. If there are plays I made that aren't being used at all, let me know and I'll fill my plans with them after week 8 if I continue this losing streak. :lol:
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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Barney - Vikings » Mon May 01, 2023 8:18 pm

Blessed are the playmakers! I think we all appreciate the contributions that Dean and others have made to our play pool.
As someone who likes to create a play every now and then, I tend to sympathize with the Creatives of the league. However, I understand Charlie‘s concerns as well. Aesthetically, I don’t want to see or create a game plan that’s just a few individual plays with six or seven or eight clones each.
The rules state that we need to use unique plays in each category and a clone or near clone is simply not a unique play in my mind. I like Neil’s suggestion that plays have a family tree. Since we don’t want to create more work for Charlie it should be the responsibility of the play creator, if cloning, to indicate a new play’s original template, otherwise Charlie should dismiss it out of hand. Then Charlie can have a database of clones he can refer to and use his best judgment as to whether to accept a new play or not.
I also like the idea of writing over your old plays if you wish to create new ones in order to keep the play pool at a manageable size.

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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Mon May 01, 2023 8:25 pm

The "negative comments" are in response to some really poor arguments you have made, and the problems with those arguments. Writing "I disagree" is not sufficient. Please make better, stronger and more logical arguments, then they would warrant disagreement. I have little tolerance for non sequitur arguments. Nothing personal, I suggest not taking it personally when one of us as several here have, not just me, refutes very poor arguments.

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Dean-Atlanta wrote:Straw man argument again. NO ONE who spends time designing plays trusts what they see in the play editor. You know that. Everyone who creates plays knows that. Really weak and lame argument.


Dean, I am really getting tired of the negative comments directed at me. A simple "I disagree" would be sufficient. If you want to post a shitty war of words on the message board, I am happy to accommodate. I might have a few choice words about your submissions. However, I would prefer not.
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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Mitch-Oilers » Mon May 01, 2023 9:39 pm

It's obvious, we need a debate between Charlie and Dean hosted by Tucker Carlson.

I'd prefer a Texas Death Match in and 40 ft steel cage at the Greensboro Coliseum as part of Starcade with special referee, Ric Flair.
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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Mon May 01, 2023 10:07 pm

Mitch-Chiefs wrote:It's obvious, we need a debate between Charlie and Dean hosted by Tucker Carlson.

I'd prefer a Texas Death Match in and 40 ft steel cage at the Greensboro Coliseum as part of Starcade with special referee, Ric Flair.


That's already scheduled for week 12. But I think the week 10 match will be even more fun.
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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Mitch-Oilers » Tue May 02, 2023 6:48 am

@Dean - you'll be lucky to have any healthy players for week 12 after your week 10 game. Ha!
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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Charlie-49ers » Tue May 02, 2023 8:15 am

Well, Dean, some of the Coaches may find our discussion entertaining, even humorous, but I do not! The Message Board is intended to exchange ideas with the intended result to better the League, not to berate other coaches. I have asked you twice to dial it back, but you keep doubling down with your destructive personal attacks rather than offering something constructive to the discussion. I think we can agree to disagree on the approach to Custom Plays without personal attacks on my opinion as to how to proceed for the good of the League. For the third and last time, I am asking you to cease and desist with the personal attacks and focus on suggestions that will make the League better.
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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Matt-Jacksonville » Tue May 02, 2023 8:27 am

How about we take two weeks for everyone to cool off then implement the compromise solution on a trial basis for the remainder of the season. We can then discuss in the offseason any tweaks to the policy. Healthy debate is always a good thing, but we need to try to keep it healthy and a debate.

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Re: Those hours invested in creating news plays...

Postby Mitch-Oilers » Tue May 02, 2023 3:50 pm

I only joke to lighten the mood.

We are lucky to have a patient commissioner. I would have blocked half of you guess and the league woukd have folded years ago. Ha!
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