Quarterbacks

[Mitch-Oilers]

@Barney - oooops.

Block 1 - EN 87
Block 2 - EN 81
Block 3 - EN 77

[Mitch-Oilers]

I'm conducting additional experiments today. In these experiments, I'm adjusting the ratings of the WRs, HB and OL to gauge what impact the supporting cast has on QB stats.

My hypothesis is the unlike the NFL, PNFL QBs are not able to raise the level of play of their team. Hence, a MAX rated PNFL QB will perform much worse with a lower rated supporting cast.

The best way I can describe it is like cillege QBs. There are high performing college QBs that never make it in the NFL. I think their college stats are inflated due to the supporting cast talent being far superior then the opponent

We shall see...

[Justin-Chicago]

curious to know how your QB rushing stats lined up

[Mitch-Oilers]

Here the results of some additional testing Blocks:

Constants:
2042 KC and LA rosters
Games played in a dome
Denver CPU PPP used for both team
300 sims run for each block of games

Variable:
Block 1 - KC QB set to MAX in all ratings (SP 81 AC 81 AG 81 ST 96 HA 71 EN 87 IN 92 DI 84)
Block 2 - KC QB set to 6 points below MAX in all ratings (SP 75 AC 75 AG 75 ST 90 HA 65 EN 81 IN 86 DI 78)
Block 3 - KC QB set to 10 points below MAX in all ratings (SP 71 AC 71 AG 71 ST 86 HA 61 EN 77 IN 82 DI 74)
Block 4 - KC QB set to MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to MAX ratings
Block 5 - KC QB set to 6 points below MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to MAX ratings
Block 6 - KC QB set to 10 points below MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to MAX ratings
Block 7 - KC QB set to MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to 6 points below MAX in all ratings
Block 8 - KC QB set to 6 points below MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to 6 points below MAX in all ratings
Block 9 - KC QB set to 10 points below MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to 6 points below MAX in all ratings
Block 10 - KC QB set to MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to 10 points below MAX in all ratings
Block 11 - KC QB set to 6 points below MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to 10 points below MAX in all ratings
Block 12 - KC QB set to 10 points below MAX in all ratings, WR/HB/OL set to 10 points below MAX in all ratings

Stats for KC QB:
Block 1 - 7,342 of 11,662 63.0% 82,101 yards 452 TD 193 INT 95 FMB 456 Sacked 3,663 rushing 2.7 AVG
Block 2 - 7,747 of 12,205 63.5% 80,837 yards 411 TD 192 INT 55 FMB 376 Sacked 2,132 rushing 1.7 AVG
Block 3 - 7,477 of 12,184 61.4% 80,225 yards 455 TD 147 INT 84 FMB 372 Sacked 3,320 rushing 2.4 AVG
Block 4 - 7,521 of 11,874 63.3% 79,686 yards 445 TD 240 INT 96 FMB 498 Sacked 3,959 rushing 3.1 AVG
Block 5 - 7,262 of 11,732 61.9% 81,651 yards 467 TD 170 INT 82 FMB 414 Sacked 2,891 rushing 2.1 AVG
Block 6 - 7,376 of 12,061 61.2% 79,919 yards 495 TD 212 INT 84 FMB 544 Sacked 3,405 rushing 2.6 AVG
Block 7 - 6,719 of 12,079 55.6% 66,483 yards 262 TD 304 INT 68 FMB 659 Sacked 2,656 rushing 2.2 AVG
Block 8 - 6,868 of 12,182 56.4% 68,241 yards 304 TD 292 INT 120 FMB 658 Sacked 3,330 rushing 2.5 AVG
Block 9 - 6,665 of 12,099 55.1% 63,294 yards 256 TD 383 INT 85 FMB 679 Sacked 1,843 rushing 1.4 AVG
Block 10 - 5,862 of 11,743 49.9% 58,303 yards 198 TD 407 INT 99 FMB 789 Sacked 2,772 rushing 1.9 AVG
Block 11 - 5,419 of 11,025 49.2% 50,924 yards 152 TD 419 INT 151 FMB 975 Sacked 1,334 rushing 1.0 AVG
Block 12 - 6,078 of 11,961 50.8% 59,375 yards 167 TD 449 INT 172 FMB 916 Sacked 1,148 rushing 0.9 AVG

Stats for KC WRs:
Block 1 - WR1 2,441 REC 25,649 yards 10.5 AVG 119 TD, WR3 1,811 REC 19,412 yards 10.7 AVG 84 TD
Block 2 - WR1 2,664 REC 27,848 yards 10.5 AVG 155 TD, WR3 1,743 REC 17,588 yards 10.1 AVG 41 TD
Block 3 - WR1 2,544 REC 27,314 yards 10.9 AVG 175 TD, WR3 1,805 REC 18,212 yards 10.1 AVG 38 TD
Block 4 - WR1 2,529 REC 24,953 yards 9.9 AVG 161 TD, WR3 1,764 REC 18,209 yards 10.3 AVG 79 TD
Block 5 - WR1 2,370 REC 26,873 yards 11.3 AVG 180 TD, WR3 1,673 REC 16,742 yards 10.0 AVG 71 TD
Block 6 - WR1 2,679 REC 30,315 yards 11.3 AVG 152 TD, WR2 1,735 REC 17,987 yards 10.4 AVG 132 TD
Block 7 - WR1 2,344 REC 21,985 yards 9.4 AVG 90 TD, WR3 1,514 REC 14,017 yards 9.3 AVG 32 TD
Block 8 - WR1 2,280 REC 21,120 yards 9.3 AVG 104 TD, WR3 1,550 REC 14,906 yards 9.6 AVG 19 TD
Block 9 - WR1 2,191 REC 18,634 yards 8.5 AVG 81 TD, WR2 1,475 REC 14,162 yards 9.6 AVG 57 TD
Block 10 - WR1 1,987 REC 16,616 yards 8.4 AVG 64 TD, WR3 1,250 REC 11,672 yards 9.3 AVG 23 TD
Block 11 - WR1 1,787 REC 15,124 yards 8.5 AVG 39 TD, WR3 1,300 REC 12,055 yards 9.3 AVG 26 TD
Block 12 - WR1 2,093 REC 18,930 yards 9.0 AVG 48 TD, WR3 1,321 REC 12,165 yards 9.2 AVG 33 TD

LA stats for QB:
Block 1 - 7,574 of 12,161 62.3% 82,352 yards 433 TD 217 INT 57 FMB 419 Sacked 3,573 rushing 2.6 AVG
Block 2 - 7,310 of 12,158 60.1% 78,020 yards 343 TD 222 INT 44 FMB 410 Sacked 1,934 rushing 1.6 AVG
Block 3 - 7,840 of 12,479 62.8% 83,246 yards 358 TD 191 INT 74 FMB 483 Sacked 2,482 rushing 1.9 AVG
Block 4 - 7,133 of 12,079 59.1% 75,273 yards 320 TD 186 INT 81 FMB 627 Sacked 1,925 rushing 1.5 AVG
Block 5 - 7,390 of 12,086 61.1% 78,420 yards 424 TD 203 INT 106 FMB 443 Sacked 3,057 rushing 2.2 AVG
Block 6 - 7,447 of 12,246 60.8% 76,227 yards 404 TD 199 INT 53 FMB 467 Sacked 2,626 rushing 2.2 AVG
Block 7 - 7,263 of 11,427 63.6% 75,102 yards 373 TD 208 INT 115 FMB 402 Sacked 3,176 rushing 2.4 AVG
Block 8 - 6,917 of 11,196 61.8% 74,201 yards 455 TD 192 INT 71 FMB 517 Sacked 3,258 rushing 2.4 AVG
Block 9 - 7,156 of 11,644 61.5% 78,450 yards 429 TD 266 INT 65 FMB 503 Sacked 3,986 rushing 2.8 AVG
Block 10 - 7,078 of 11,332 62.5% 74,211 yards 396 TD 168 INT 89 FMB 389 Sacked 2,509 rushing 1.5 AVG
Block 11 - 7,115 of 11,536 61.7% 74,441 yards 346 TD 162 INT 66 FMB 526 Sacked 4,118 rushing 3.1 AVG
Block 12 - 6,986 of 11,750 59.5% 74,379 yards 403 TD 225 INT 93 FMB 510 Sacked 4,644 rushing 3.1 AVG

Here's my analysis:

1) Even with all ratings 10 points below MAX, a QB surrounded by a strong supporting cast does nearly as well as a MAX QB with a strong supporting cast.
2) Weaker supporting casts appear to reduce Comp%, increase INT% and increase Sack%.
3) Since all of our QBs in the PNFL are within 5 points or less of MAX, it doesn't matter who plays QB because the supporting cast on all teams is within 5 points or less of MAX.
4) QBs in FBPRO do not lift the performance of other players in the way an NFL QB might do.
5) A rating spread of 10 points for all players will create more variance in performance.

[Steve-LA Chargers]

Boooooooom! This analysis nails it I think. QBs DON'T REALLY MATTER. It's the supporting cast of players that matter. And in this league, there is not enough differentiation between supporting casts, so I could conceivably win a lot of games with a QB like DTR if I had no choice but to use him. Doesn't mean I'll start him yet while I have General Kizer still eager to cement his legacy. Plus, DTR's IN is more than 6 below the max and it will take a couple of seasons to make sure it's less than 6. But when he's eventually considered ready, he probably just backs up Lock or Herbert once Kizer has retired. Regardless, this analysis proves that the only real differentiation is our profiles and game plans. We are truly a coaching league!

[Jerry-Redskins]

Are these full sims or fast sim? Takes me 20 to 30 secs a sim. This was 3600 sims.

[Mitch-Oilers]

@Jerry - full sim

With multiple laptops, I'm able to sim 900 games in 90 mins

[Jerry-Redskins]

The numbers show your team talent matters. Maybe less individual individual player by player, but overall. So the point still matters that more team talent produces better stats. This means that the several point differences in players across a roster absolutely affects things. So Rich's little sal cap numbers would show talent advantages that matter. Also means a deeper team is likely better than a couple stud players and a lower rated roster

[Mitch-Oilers]

@Jerry - agree about overall roster talent matters over having a couple of studs. At the same, it appears our current ratings spread doesn't impact the results as much as we would like them to. A 10+ spread between MAX and MIN would impact performance more overtly.

[Jerry-Redskins]

If you want college football games and scores. Could there be an argument to drop every player down and then only allow a few max. Sure, but as you admit, Charlie and the PNFL bunch did a great job emulating the NFL from an overall game play and realistic standpoint. We have what we see on Sunday for the most part which is a relatively successful emulation of the NFL for a 1998 piece of software. based on NFL tendencies at that time which clearly is in the background algorithms. I see numbers that show the talent absolutely matters but as in the NFL is not the be all end all. Definitely do not want week 1 college type mismatches. Equal coaching, the talent will make a difference, but better talent can be overcome at times.