M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

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M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:12 pm

Working on creating new defensive plays and realizing this. M2M pass coverage logic is so weak it is an "AI Buster" itself because it's busted logic that isn't worth $hit. Use shade under and the WRs get 2-3 yards past the CB and catch passes all day long! Use shade deep and they go too far down field, and the WR turns around to get the ball, and catches passes all day long. Use neither shade deep or shade under and they do one of the other or they are MIA when the QB throws the ball!

Either M2M pass coverage logic is incredibly weak, or maybe our CBs are too low in SP-AC-AG compared to our WRs?
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:16 pm

And if a DB is covering a RB or TE that in pass protection in the backfield, they just stand there and pick their noses while the QBs looks for an open receiver. They help cover other receiver running rutes, and they don't engage in any pass rush either. They just stand there. Totally retarded!
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Mitch-Oilers » Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:37 am

What offensive pass plays are you using against these defenses? It sounds like we need to ban them or I need to make sure they are in my practice gameplans. :)
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Jerry-Redskins » Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:30 am

:?: You're just now realizing the DB logic on players in the backfield...........
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:10 pm

CBs maxx out at 87 EN.
WRs maxx out at 91 EN.

This might be part of the problem. WRs and CBs, on average, should have the same EN.
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Steve-LA Chargers » Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:18 pm

But I thought you were seeing the issue in play editor practice. EN would not matter there. Ultimately, WRs are higher in most ratings than CBs, so there is nothing that can be done.
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:33 pm

Not the play editor, but sim data. I challenge anyone to design a PM defense that consistently average lower than 5.5 yards per catch by the opposing offense. The last two NEW PM plays I created, 5.5 and 5.7 and they are coverage based plays, they get very few sacks, but gave up avg. 4.6 and 4.7 vs run.
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Mitch-Oilers » Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:42 pm

What scenario are you calling PM plays? I come across several PM plays that average less than 5.5 in any given week. In fact, rarely do I have a PM play in my gameplan from week to week that doesn't average less than 5.5 yards per pass during practice sims?
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Dean-Atlanta » Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:18 am

Mitch-Raiders wrote:What scenario are you calling PM plays? I come across several PM plays that average less than 5.5 in any given week. In fact, rarely do I have a PM play in my gameplan from week to week that doesn't average less than 5.5 yards per pass during practice sims?


I am guessing you are using PM defenses mostly or exclusively for 3rd and 6-10 down situations, if using them that way you might get those results. Which PM plays are you seeing consistently below 5.5?
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Re: M2M pass coverage logic is absolute GARBAGE

Postby Mitch-Oilers » Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:23 am

I've posted results from 4 different weeks of practice sims. Granted, the success of the PM plays depended on the style and tendency of the opponent.

Play Calls Avg_Pass
AZ32pm20 441 4.6
PEPMB33S 414 4.6
AF30pm5z 395 4.8
DN23PM14 413 4.9
SF23PM4S 400 4.9
DB31PMR3 424 5.0
DB31pmM3 424 5.1
DN23PM10 431 5.1
DN23PM12 399 5.1
DN23PM05 441 5.2
SF30PM4S 450 5.2
DN23PM13 437 5.3
OR22PM2R 392 5.5
PEPME24L 449 5.5

Play Calls Avg_Pass
SF33PM2C 154 4.3
DB41pmRZ 145 4.4
SF31PM2C 130 5.2
DC3PM01 115 5.3
CC30PMeD 136 5.5
DB2PM01 104 5.5
OR22PM2R 127 5.5

Play Calls Avg_Pass
AZ2PMIAZ 172 2.1
DB2PM01 155 2.9
LA32PMIA 101 3.1
SF23PM4S 164 4.0
PEPME24L 173 4.1
MN32MB2 184 4.4
DN23PM09 203 4.5
MN32MB6 162 4.5
SF32PM2D 183 4.5
AF30pm5z 163 4.9
PS31pm2r 171 5.0
SF31PM2C 196 5.1
AF30pm4y 169 5.2
KC32pmW8 100 5.2
SF31PM1L 154 5.2
DN23PM12 159 5.3
MN32PMM1 174 5.3
SF21PM4S 165 5.3
MN22pmR3 199 5.4
MN32MB5 186 5.4
PEPMB33S 176 5.4
AF31pm3s 149 5.5
SF32PM1B 184 5.5
SF33PM2C 206 5.5

Play Calls Avg_Pass
AF31pmJ1 252 3.3
PEPMB33S 267 3.8
KC32pmQ3 254 4.0
SF31PM2C 247 4.1
PS31pm2r 248 4.4
OR32PM3S 284 4.7
DB2PM01 270 4.8
SF31PM1L 282 4.8
AZ32pm20 246 4.8
SF33PM2C 249 4.9
DC3PM01 255 5.0
DB31pmM3 287 5.1
SF32PM2D 261 5.1
AF30pm5z 257 5.1
DN23PM11 257 5.4
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